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Cooldra
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Suicide rates spike for the month of December and throughout the year 2011. Sociologists and psychologists clueless to the cause...
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Alcoholicus
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I applaud Ishihara for standing up for the children and protecting their moral values. Kids should be racist as possible. Belittle women. Hate gays and their ilk. Write books with lots of gang-rape in it. If the kids can be all of those then they can be just like Ishihara. What a great role model!
And it's a good thing they removed the provision that would have banned the ownership of actual child pornography. Children need discipline. If you can't show a child what happens to them if they're being naughty they'll just end up being cocky. And cocky children makes Santa sad. And a sad Santa is frightening to his little elves. Please won't someone think of the little elves!?!? Oh, and you creepy otakus deserve this ban, since you guys are the root cause of all of societies' problems. Corrupt government and greedy corporations worked so hard to rape the world and you guys don't even have the decency to bend over and take the blame. Shame on you! And just to rub it in further, me and a couple of buddies are going to celebrate the official passing of this law with champagne, cheese, crackers, a random schoolgirl, and lots of surprise sex. Sucks to be you guys! HAHAHAHA! |
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eragon2890
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"[..] sexually stimulating, encourages cruelty, and/or may compel suicide or criminal behavior"[..] "
A lot of people don't seem to realise that is THE CURRENT DEFINITION. The new law is only about sexually explicit anime/manga, thus BY DEFINITION fullmetal alchemist, bleach, ghost in the shell etc. will NOT be harmed by the new criteria if they are not harmed by the old one. Anybody thinking this bill has any consequences for these shows needs to read up on the history of this act -- if they wanted to mark them as harmfull because of violence, they could already have done so -- the new provision is only about sex. Explicit sex that would be illegal in real life, that is. And as for the person saying that parliament never supported a bill like this in the past, well how do you think the current version "[..] sexually stimulating, encourages cruelty, and/or may compel suicide or criminal behavior"[..] came into the books? 
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Kougeru
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actually they have a lot of movies with incest in them and still will but no more incest manga/anime :\ |
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master-evil
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I think to many people are jumping the gun.
This bill is YET to be official and not to mention they are still people who oppose it, no matter, how small a group they maybe. Wednesday will be deciding day and the judge and jury will decide our future, the chances of this are high now but remember a single moment may make a 360. What am afraid of is the fact that the no one in the ends tries to stop this madness. |
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Big Hed
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The problem depends greatly on how strictly the amendments are enforced. If the government is strict about upholding them, plenty of material could be torpedoed for containing the offending material, because it isn't necessarily going to remain profitable in an exclusively 18+ market.
Again, relying on your own definitions, and completely ignoring the language of the bill which implies that anything deemed socially egregious, not just sexual content, is permitted to be regulated. Once more though, I acknowledge that this could all just blow over because the government isn't bothered with adequate enforcement (both in terms of monitoring publishing industry autoregulation, and direct action by Tokyo Metropolitan). |
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eragon2890
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[quote="Big Hed"]
Nope. The government is allowed to directly regulate such content if it is found to be extreme. The word "such" in the bill refers to the definition "glorifying and overexaggerated depictions of sexual actions that would be illegal in real life." The clause you are talking about builds upon the definition clause; it is not an independent part of the law and therefore cannot be used to regulate "anything the government wants". So, any show/manga which does not fall under the definition clause automatically can't be regulated. And the definition clause is only about sex. |
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Big Hed
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Well if that's the case, count me mildly relieved. My ability to find translations for sections of the bill outside of Dan Kanemitsu's blog hasn't been entirely fruitful, so maybe I couldn't make that connection. |
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eragon2890
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I don't blame you This is what Ishihara meant with "stupid bureaucrats making stupid laws". I am a member of a political party, responsible for media policy, so I am trained in reading and writing laws.
earlier in this thread I posted about the German laws on violent media, which ban any media "glorifying violence or going against human dignity." Now if you see a game being banned in Germany, it is usually not really banned (long story but got nothing to do with this law.) Only courts can do this. Madworld ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7elIuEACmkQ !! ) was not considered "extremely violent" by the court. Just an example, but what I mean is that the legal definition of "extreme" is usually very different from what you and I think extreme. Additionally, it's not the the TMC directly that gets to "ban" (restrict to adults) anything (or at least not the legislature) as that would be a gross violation of the seperation between executive and legislative powers. And last but not least, because of the DPJ, the following has been added as a attachment to the bill: " First of all, the bill did have a supplemental resolution (a rider) attached to it that specifies that, with regard to the material that would be classified as harmful based on the new expanded definition, these works must be “carefully regulated, with the work’s artistic, social, educational, satirical criticism based merits be taken into account in the evaluation process.” Furthermore, Tokyo Youth Healthy Development Evaluation Panel (the panel subordinate to the TMG that deliberates and chooses which books are to be designated as being harmful) is instructed to respect “the intent of the revision and take necessary steps, such as increasing the time involved in the evaluation process.”" Important. really important. Especially since if it ever comes to a lawsuit, judges usually look at the "spirit" of a law, not the exact wordings of a law. And this changes the spirit of the law quite a bit. Oh and by the way, my prediction earlier that the national government wouldn't be happy with this has come true; the Prime Minister himself has voiced his concern =D Last edited by eragon2890 on Mon Dec 13, 2010 12:07 pm; edited 1 time in total |
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zargas
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Alas, it doesn't work that way. Cultural expression is enriched through additive means, not subtractive, restrictive methods. This manga censorship isn't going to encourage creativity and experimentation, it's only going to pressure authors to "play it safe", rehashing old territory and concentrating only on tried-and-true "safe" genres and tropes that won't cause trouble. American comics went through the same thing. The only "safe" comics were simple superhero comics. The Comics Code was just too restrictive to tell any other story without risk of running afoul of the rules, and thus almost all American comics were superheroes engaging in highly sanitized punch-outs. The manga industry may be in a "rut", but if this bill has any effect, it will make the current "rut" you so bemoan seem positively vibrant. Things will get WORSE, not better; there will be an even greater push towards only truly "safe" things like fluffy K-On-esque moe shows and glorified toy commercials like Digimon. |
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VORTIA
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[quote="eragon2890"]
There are two flaws with your interpretation. The first is that you are relying on the text written by ANN, not text quoted and translated from the actual law. The second is that Bill 156 is an amendment to the already existing "harmful publications" statute, and may well include material covered by the current rules as well as the new restrictions. |
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garfield15
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Hey, don't knock the glorified toy commercials. Kids need that stuff too. That being said, I understand the fear of constant "safe" means. |
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Big Hed
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Oh, well that's helpful to know! I've certainly been making some... "sweeping statements".  Sorry for the misunderstanding.
Anyway, I am peripherally aware of the situation in Germany (and the related situation in Australia, for that matter), and that there isn't a great deal in the way of precedent for the executive to just skip over the judicial system. The excerpts you cited above give me more hope that this won't turn out so terribly, too. And good to hear opposition from the PM! Last edited by Big Hed on Mon Dec 13, 2010 12:29 pm; edited 1 time in total |
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eragon2890
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No, I read the bill's translation by Dan Kanemitsu. I know it's an amendment, I said so multiple times, so you're right it will cover material already under the current rules. However, only the definition is being updated, not the actual action -- still being self-regulation or designation as harmfull. So this isn't relevant; material which does already fall under the old rules won't be affected since the actions the government can take are not changing. This is also why Dan Kanemitsu says hentai like rape lolican and such won't be affected -- they are already self-regulated under the current law. And like he says, stuff like simple pantyshots or nudity is far, far, far too mild to fall under this law. |
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eragon2890
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Australia might introduce an 18+ game rating soon tough. And BTW also there, practically nothing is found to extreme to be refused MA15+ -- I mean, even the *uncensored* version of Alien vs Predator got a MA15+
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