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NEWS: Oldest Anime Found

The way it is discribed it sounds like it was an early attempt at an opening bumper for a feature that maybe never got created. Sort of like the MGM lion, or 20th. Century Fox's sphinx. A facinating find.

Oh. Well, my plank/rock arguement still stands.

How long before ADV licenses it?

DragonsRevenge wrote:

Oh. Well, my plank/rock arguement still stands.

Not really. You were trying to argue that it didn't matter. If someone found a plank with rocks as wheels and that pre-dated the earliest known use of the wheel, it would be very important to people of that field.

Have you ever noticed how big of a deal the press makes about various archaeological finds?

Discovering the first "anime," as crude an animation as it may have been, is important to those who are interested in the history of anime.

And I'm certain not all anime fans are interested in the history, but I'm also certain that ANN has several thousands readers who are interested.

So no, I don't think your argument stands.

Your opinion that this doesn't matter as far as you are concerned, is completely legitimate though. As long as you recognize that it is important to others...

-t

Imagine if we found drawings, not even a plank and rocks, but just drawings and diagrams of a helicopter dating back the just after the middle ages? A helicopter? back then?!!! Well...yea. Im sure you know what im getting at here. Divinci had the IDEA of it, so can technically be called the father of helicopters. Its much more interesting to know who had the idea first to make these, than who actually came out and started mass producing these things. Whoever made this, can technically be called the father or mother of animation, untill we find proof otherwise. THAT is a ginormous deal.

Montusama wrote:

kusanagi-sama wrote: Considering this was made around 1907, the person who made it is probably dead. Considering the Wars that Japan had till the end of WWII this person is DEAD DEAD and even if this person didn't die from the wars this person would be more than 100 (unless he made this when he was just bored ) so finding the creator is probably impossible at least thru saying in a newspaper "Please Call us if you are the creator of this" and if they did such a thing (they won't) they could easly tell who was lying

there's no question they're gone. In order to have the talent to make an animated picture, they would need to be in atleast their thirties. Remember, there wouldnt be any good schools or training programs to learn how to do this back then. The art would have had to have been practiced for years by them by the time they made that 3 second film.

wolfcry wrote:

Montusama wrote: kusanagi-sama wrote: Considering this was made around 1907, the person who made it is probably dead. Considering the Wars that Japan had till the end of WWII this person is DEAD DEAD and even if this person didn't die from the wars this person would be more than 100 (unless he made this when he was just bored ) so finding the creator is probably impossible at least thru saying in a newspaper "Please Call us if you are the creator of this" and if they did such a thing (they won't) they could easly tell who was lying there's no question they're gone. In order to have the talent to make an animated picture, they would need to be in atleast their thirties. Remember, there wouldnt be any good schools or training programs to learn how to do this back then. The art would have had to have been practiced for years by them by the time they made that 3 second film.

I strongly disagree wit this. Since the action seems so simple and it's only 3 seconds long, it sounds like it is in the form of a flipbook. I highly doubt you can see the person writing out each word; it probably skips around alot and does not have smooth action. 30s is pretty old for somebody to be that can only do this. It sounds like it would have been played before a movie started. Maybe somebody got bored and started working on it. Maybe one of the few theatres there had this done by a worker or something to impress. If that was the case, you could find out who was working there. I don't know why yall think the person has to be alive to find. If you could track down the collection owner, they could possibly tell you or give you another lead to follow.

Erufu wrote:

wolfcry wrote: Montusama wrote: kusanagi-sama wrote: Considering this was made around 1907, the person who made it is probably dead. Considering the Wars that Japan had till the end of WWII this person is DEAD DEAD and even if this person didn't die from the wars this person would be more than 100 (unless he made this when he was just bored ) so finding the creator is probably impossible at least thru saying in a newspaper "Please Call us if you are the creator of this" and if they did such a thing (they won't) they could easly tell who was lying there's no question they're gone. In order to have the talent to make an animated picture, they would need to be in atleast their thirties. Remember, there wouldnt be any good schools or training programs to learn how to do this back then. The art would have had to have been practiced for years by them by the time they made that 3 second film. I strongly disagree wit this. Since the action seems so simple and it's only 3 seconds long, it sounds like it is in the form of a flipbook. I highly doubt you can see the person writing out each word; it probably skips around alot and does not have smooth action. 30s is pretty old for somebody to be that can only do this. It sounds like it would have been played before a movie started. Maybe somebody got bored and started working on it. Maybe one of the few theatres there had this done by a worker or something to impress. If that was the case, you could find out who was working there. I don't know why yall think the person has to be alive to find. If you could track down the collection owner, they could possibly tell you or give you another lead to follow.

I still think your judging by today's standards. It would be VERY easy to do these days. Hell, you can make a 10 minute flash animation in a good half hour of work. But back then? almost 50 frames on this thing? That takes some work. Mor elight would be shone if we could see the detail on this thing, and like you said, how smooth it ran.

And yea. If proof of that toy surfaced, I garuntee THAT would be big news as well.