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REVIEW: Puella Magi Madoka Magica Vol. 2 Blu-Ray


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bhl88



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PostPosted: Thu Apr 12, 2012 6:37 pm Reply with quote
@Fencedude: I can see some similarities in the thread (only like 30% or so) between Volume 1 and Volume 2 reviews (deja vu).
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Veers



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PostPosted: Thu Apr 12, 2012 6:44 pm Reply with quote
Fencedude5609 wrote:
Ugh, we're never going to be 100% free of the idiocy GG's subs inflicted on us, are we?
That's why I spent hours listening to the dialog and re-translating and editing the subs to make more sense. Not perfect, but better than what they started as I'm quite sure, and (in hindsight, at least for vol1) very much in line with the official translation.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 12, 2012 6:50 pm Reply with quote
lol I remembered the part where gg made it look like that Sayaka was a yuri fangirl Anime hyper (It's like two people in love or something)
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 12, 2012 6:50 pm Reply with quote
Monster in a box wrote:
The issue isn't 'people like things I don't like'. The issue is '99.9% of people who post about this show on the internet think this show is amazing, when it's not'. I am the .1% in this scenario. I would be very easy to ignore, but you aren't ignoring me. Does it really bug you that much that I'm ruining the illusion that this show is unhatable? If so, imagine how I feel about all of you.


I ought to destroy your illusion, just as I destroyed dtm42's. However, Mad_Scientist beat me to the chase. So allow me to repeat what I said to dtm:

You hate Madoka - that's your perspective. No matter how hard you explain and justify your reasons for it being so, and no matter how much you hate this series, it'll always be what you think based on your personal biases and standards.

And I can understand that. I'm perfectly fine with it. What I can't stand is you dictating your opinion as truth or fact, and then finding excuses to insult others or proving them wrong just because they disagree.

To begin with, who gave you the right to declare what's pure crap? Who made you the final arbiter of what's good and what's bad? Is it really hard to accept that other people may like or love this anime? That they may have good reasons why or that they can overlook any flaws an anime has? That they may have other tastes?

Everyone has their own standards. What seems like crap to you, may be a treat for others. You do not have the right to judge them because of it. Or do you honestly believe that your tastes and standards make you above everyone else?

The reality is, you're not above anyone. Your standards don't make you right, nor do they make you some sort of special, important figure.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 12, 2012 6:59 pm Reply with quote
Watch out, KentaMaeba is here. You guys better be very have or you might get destroyed, too.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 12, 2012 7:09 pm Reply with quote
I know what you all need, people.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PD-_oLjmCGY
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Monster in a box



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PostPosted: Thu Apr 12, 2012 7:13 pm Reply with quote
Sigh. Don't even know where to begin! Not that it matters, since, as I mentioned before, it's me vs everyone. For one, I often glance at these talkback threads, and there's ALWAYS negative feedback for anything, at least in all the ones I see (unless it only makes it to 3 or 4 posts). Like I said before, I don't think it's fair to other shows to have NOBODY saying anything bad about it in here. There was that one guy I quoted in my first post, and even he was still being pretty positive. He basically said the show is a C+ at worst; that's not exactly terrible.

Also, you people keep saying that I'm 'presenting my opinion as fact' and that's why my arguments are invalid. At the same time, you also keep saying I 'hated Madoka', which I already said I didn't. It was mostly forgettable, but it's not as though I didn't get a little enjoyment out of seeing the story progress. Then it ended, and I was done. That was that.

Fencedude, I feel like your 'neither here nor there' comment about Infinite Stratos is very much here, and there. I've never seen it, so I can't say anything about it, but clearly its popularity annoys you. Now, imagine if it had Madoka's popularity. Madoka's glowing reviews. Madoka's supposed depth. You can't honestly tell me that wouldn't get to you in any way. Oh, and you didn't refute what I said about the characters at all...

And no, I'm not saying side characters shouldn't exist. I'm saying they DON'T exist in this show. The mother was never developed in any way. Even compared to the main cast, she's devoid of a personality. She's the mother. That's all you get, and you're supposed to see her as a sympathetic figure just based on that? I don't buy it. The brother is even worse, but I don't remember the ending well enough to get into what they did with him. And ok, gg's subs were bad. I don't really feel like your translation changes the context very much. In fact, it takes away that one possible effective use the line could've had that I alluded to earlier (which is irrelevant I guess, since it wasn't delivered in such a way).
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Ferian



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PostPosted: Thu Apr 12, 2012 7:14 pm Reply with quote
Fencedude5609 wrote:
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Also, if you REALLY don't understand why it's important to be able to relate to characters, I don't even know what to say. Characters don't always need to be relatable, but in a show that's trying so hard to make you feel bad about what's going on in it, being able to relate to the people the bad things are happening to is kind of important. I mean, otherwise what's the point? What is compelling about the show?


What, you don't think its possible to empathize with someone without actually inserting yourself into them?

Okay. I don't care about this discussion. I only came here to get a few short laughs, and got far more than I had expected. This line totally made my day and had me laughing out loud, waking up my roommate and interrupting my neighbours'... hmm... they were probably already in the gentle lovers' talk phase by then. Thank you, Fencedude. /人◕ ‿‿ ◕人\

On topic: It's reviews like this that I both love and hate. It's well written, and I agree with all of Zac's points which is rather rare (in any given review there's usually at least one part that I would argue, although it's possible I'm just not being attentive enough), though I am now a bit worried about how he will react to the final volume. But it's exactly because it's too good that I hate these kinds of reviews. I cannot afford spending over $200 on an anime series, and I know it. And yet it still took me several minutes to get ahold of myself and close RightStuff's webpage...
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Fencedude5609



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PostPosted: Thu Apr 12, 2012 7:24 pm Reply with quote
Monster in a box wrote:

Fencedude, I feel like your 'neither here nor there' comment about Infinite Stratos is very much here, and there. I've never seen it, so I can't say anything about it, but clearly its popularity annoys you. Now, imagine if it had Madoka's popularity. Madoka's glowing reviews. Madoka's supposed depth. You can't honestly tell me that wouldn't get to you in any way. Oh, and you didn't refute what I said about the characters at all...


First of all, IS's success irritates me, but I manage to not go around saying people are idiots for liking it.

As for the characters, you are in fact factually wrong. Period. This isn't an opinion, its cold hard fact.

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The mother was never developed in any way. Even compared to the main cast, she's devoid of a personality. She's the mother. That's all you get, and you're supposed to see her as a sympathetic figure just based on that?


Wow! What if there were two fairly major scenes devoted to Madoka's relationships with her parents? Wouldn't that be a good addition? Something to show how her life is at home? Not as a major focus, but to give insight into her character from another perspective? Wouldn't that be a good use of fairly limited time? Man, shame the show...oh wait it has those.

The show actually requires you to use your head for something other than holding up your (most likely proverbial) hat. No, not much time was spent on Madoka's parents, but what time was spent on them was used productively for the development of Madoka as a character

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I don't buy it. The brother is even worse, but I don't remember the ending well enough to get into what they did with him.


He exists. Thats his sole purpose. He doesn't need another purpose. He's Madoka's 3 year old brother. What are you expecting?
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EnigmaticSky



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PostPosted: Thu Apr 12, 2012 7:27 pm Reply with quote
The limited edition collections are just amazing; they are easily worth the extra money in my opinion. I would recommend that anybody who is even considering getting them to do so (as long as you aren't barely scraping by each month). Worth every penny.
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Monster in a box



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PostPosted: Thu Apr 12, 2012 7:29 pm Reply with quote
Did you miss the last episode or something.

Whatever, you're really bad at this. I keep getting accosted for supposedly doing things that you're doing constantly. It's a 'cold hard fact' that the characters are deep and you don't need to explain it? See, this is the part where you admit that you don't know why you like the characters. It's ok. You can like them. What bugs me is you pretending so hard that there's some greater meaning behind everything, and everyone is backing you up; lol's abound, because they don't actually have anything to say.
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superdry



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PostPosted: Thu Apr 12, 2012 7:29 pm Reply with quote
Ferian wrote:
I cannot afford spending over $200 on an anime series, and I know it. And yet it still took me several minutes to get ahold of myself and close RightStuff's webpage...


Why does everyone keep bringing up the fact that collecting the R1 release of Madoka is so friggin' expensive? That's only the LE combo pack.

The regular edition BD costs $120 and the regular edition DVD costs $90. It's still a decent chunk of change for the regular edition options, comparatively, but still not $200.
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Fencedude5609



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PostPosted: Thu Apr 12, 2012 7:33 pm Reply with quote
Monster in a box wrote:
Did you miss the last episode or something.


What? The bit with Homura? Interpret that how you like, or ignore it. Its hardly a major aspect of the plot. Its..."kids are innocent" or something. Who cares?

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Whatever, you're really bad at this. I keep getting accosted for supposedly doing things that you're doing constantly. It's a 'cold hard fact' that the characters are deep and you don't need to explain it? See, this is the part where you admit that you don't know why you like the characters. It's ok. You can like them. What bugs me is you pretending so hard that there's some greater meaning behind everything, and everyone is backing you up; lol's abound, because they don't actually have anything to say.


Considering that your criticism involves blithely ignoring the actual character development in the show, which is blindingly obvious as long as you are paying attention to what the characters are saying and doing (you know, character development) I don't know what to tell you. I'm not going to reiterate the character arcs for the entire goddamn cast because you are too blinded by your hatred to actually see it. Especially since the ENTIRE POINT of this volume is...Sayaka and Kyouko's character development! I mean holy shit man, its right there in front of you!
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 12, 2012 7:36 pm Reply with quote
Monster in a box wrote:
Kyouko fits her character design as sterotypically as possible for the first half of the series, complete with fang, and a brash attitude,


I'll admit, this one made me laugh lol, it's true.

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Kyubey is basically a robot. He has no emotions, and no personality to debate about. He does what is logical.


I don't agree that Kyubey's 'personality' is a downside. He was one of the most interesting characters in the show for me, because of his hyper logical attitude. Kind of like Spock from Star Trek, but more cruel.
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Monster in a box



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PostPosted: Thu Apr 12, 2012 7:37 pm Reply with quote
It's so obvious, that telling me would be an insult to my intelligence! Are we really going to keep doing this? Everyone else in the thread agrees with you. Considering you have nothing to say, can't you just let that be enough?
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