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G-mofactor
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 Posted: Fri May 04, 2012 8:17 pm |
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| Banken wrote: | | G-mofactor wrote: | | Banken wrote: | The opening of Episode 4... I think this is supposed to be 100% a version of the Eureka from the original, although possibly an alternate version since she seemed to have the original Nirvash too...
But the series itself could still be an alternative universe...
Kind of hope not since I always wanted a real sequel. |
Sorry tell you that this Nirvash is different from the original series, because I noticed that it does not have a dual cockpit, mechanical design is different, the eyes, and configuration. The original Nirvash can transform to the humanoid cofiguration, a plane or a car; but this one doesn't have wheels for the car configuration.
Although, I could understand that it resembles the original Nirvash, because the creators kept the original name and color scheme.
I am still confused why it's still called a sequel due to inconsistencies from the original, maybe it's too early to judge.
Enjoy the anime, with new characters. |
I'm not talking about the "Mark 1" which is clearly a different mecha from the original, I'm talking about the Nirvash that appears in a flashback in episode 4, which looks the same as the original, at least from the back, and apparently disappeared along with Eureka into a Scab Coral.
I didn't pause the video to actually scrutinize whether it was identical to the original though. |
I'll just leave that part to those who wants to find out. I did my part of my investigation and concluded that I just have to enjoy a new show.
I totally agree with Tuor_of_Gondolin as well. Gave a good point about the children being pilots, which I forgot to mention. |
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Tuor_of_Gondolin
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| Posted: Fri May 04, 2012 9:34 pm |
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I just finished watching Ep 4, and I noticed that the old guy who is in charge of Pied Piper said something about how, "We help all children like him," or something like that. This could imply that there are other children of Coralians. OTOH, it might mean something different.
And, once again, America shows up and they're giving big-time negative connotations. Man that's tiresome. I still like the anime, but the world-building aspect of it is starting to weigh down on me. It's not like the original whose world appeared to have nothing to do with Earth or Earth geo-politics.
Also, the band that was playing reggie... notice the letters? GS. Gekko State?
I'm all but positive, now, that this series has no connection at all to the events of the original. It just uses some of the same story elements. Ex: Ao leaves home to find his mother. Renton left home to find his sister (and father). I'll still watch it, but it's lost some of its luster for me. |
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G-mofactor
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| Posted: Fri May 04, 2012 9:54 pm |
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| Tuor_of_Gondolin wrote: | I just finished watching Ep 4, and I noticed that the old guy who is in charge of Pied Piper said something about how, "We help all children like him," or something like that. This could imply that there are other children of Coralians. OTOH, it might mean something different.
And, once again, America shows up and they're giving big-time negative connotations. Man that's tiresome. I still like the anime, but the world-building aspect of it is starting to weigh down on me. It's not like the original whose world appeared to have nothing to do with Earth or Earth geo-politics.
Also, the band that was playing reggie... notice the letters? GS. Gekko State?
I'm all but positive, now, that this series has no connection at all to the events of the original. It just uses some of the same story elements. Ex: Ao leaves home to find his mother. Renton left home to find his sister (and father). I'll still watch it, but it's lost some of its luster for me. |
I noticed those as well.
I think you are catching on. I'll spill this one as well to further develop that speculation, and theories.
There has been talk about is this an alternate Earth? or is this the same universe from the original? or along the lines.
Granted that the series already made clear that their are developed countries in this planet similar to ours (i.e. China, Japan, and U.S).
On episode 1 of Ao inside the Command & Analysis Center the monitor at the bridge shows the map of the planet, which is exact (familiarly the same) as the one in our real world. |
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Unicorn_Blade
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| Posted: Sat May 05, 2012 3:41 pm |
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| Tuor_of_Gondolin wrote: | I just finished watching Ep 4, and I noticed that the old guy who is in charge of Pied Piper said something about how, "We help all children like him," or something like that. This could imply that there are other children of Coralians. OTOH, it might mean something different.
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I thought he meant something more of in the lines of 'We train children like him' as per children capable of piloting mechas, not specifically children of Coralians.
By looking through stuff on the Internet I cam across something called 'Eureka 7:Ao prologue, which was all a big recap of what was happening in the first series and then a few scenes from the new series, so that would mean this is some sort of continuation... Perhaps? Or maybe not, I should not getting my hopes up. |
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Tuor_of_Gondolin
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| Posted: Sat May 05, 2012 3:55 pm |
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Unicorn_Blade,
So far, I haven't come across anything that *definitively* shows whether AO is or is not connected to the original series. IMO, the evidence so far *suggests* that the two are not directly connected. Later events will probably put the question to bed, probably pretty soon, I think.
I just enjoy speculating about stuff like this. Even if I end up being wrong, it's still fun for me. |
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Mad_Scientist
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| Posted: Sat May 05, 2012 6:08 pm |
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I'd say there's a fair chance this is directly connected to the first Eureka Seven. The reason why is that it seems clear to me that the Secrets, the Scub Coral, and Eureka herself have all come from an alternate dimension of some sort. And (original Eureka Seven spoilers) at the end of the first series, it was very strongly implied that the Scub Coral, a chunk of humanity, and Eureka/Renton (at least briefly) all went to another dimension.
Now, I know that's no guarantee, and this new series could be an alternate reality with no connection between it and the first Eureka Seven. But it was specifically billed as a sequel in various press releases. |
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Tuor_of_Gondolin
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| Posted: Sat May 05, 2012 7:15 pm |
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| That's true, Mad_Scientist, but the Scub Coral never displayed the sort of ability to create "Secrets" that we see here. Maybe it learned how to make them after interacting with humans? |
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Mad_Scientist
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| Posted: Sat May 05, 2012 7:49 pm |
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| Tuor_of_Gondolin wrote: | | That's true, Mad_Scientist, but the Scub Coral never displayed the sort of ability to create "Secrets" that we see here. Maybe it learned how to make them after interacting with humans? |
Well, the Secrets are something new, but there are a couple things to keep in mind. One, the abilities of the Scub Coral were never fully understood, but they were said to be able to freely manipulate the laws of physics near the end of Eureka Seven, so who knows what abilities they might possess?
Also, and this is entirely speculation, but I don't think the Scub Coral are creating the Secrets. Afterall, the Secrets seem to be trying to destroy the Scub Coral. If anything, I'd say the Scub Coral is fleeing from them. Perhaps the Scub Coral at the end of Eureka Seven encountered something they didn't expect while traveling to other dimensions, and are in trouble as a result.
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Banken
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| Posted: Sat May 05, 2012 9:10 pm |
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I really wish they had just used the regular coralian antibodies as the enemy in this show, but I'm sure they'll find some sort of convoluted way to explain the Secret/G-Monster (who named these things?!).
I'm sure everything will be revealed...eventually. This is why I like watching shows after they've finished their run... I don't like waiting a week for every episode.
BTW, all the Japanese promotional material uses the word "zokuhen," which is a word for sequel that implies that it's a direct continuation.
If it wasn't a sequel of sorts, they would have called it "shin series" or "new series."
But it could just be marketing strategy... |
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Mad_Scientist
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| Posted: Sun May 06, 2012 12:28 am |
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| Banken wrote: | | I really wish they had just used the regular coralian antibodies as the enemy in this show, but I'm sure they'll find some sort of convoluted way to explain the Secret/G-Monster (who named these things?!). |
This I disagree with. For one thing, I think that would kind of betray the first series. (First series spoilers follow) We spent pretty much the entire series watching all the main characters work hard in order to allow humans and coralians to coexist with and communicate with each other, and at the end they finally succeed in bringing the two species together, though not without some issues thanks to Dewey. To essentially render that all meaningless and make the coralians villains would feel kind of like a slap in the face. Plus, it would require some convoluted logic to explain why the coralians would suddenly be attacking humans, considering even in the first series the antibodies were merely an automatic reaction brought upon by severe damage to the scub coral. The coralians never purposely hurt humans before, why would they start now?
Plus, your idea is kind of what the movie did, though since the movie was an alternate reality and the race was clearly not supposed to be the same species as the scub coral from the tv show I didn't mind. (Movie spoilers) Though technically, even the movie has a connection to the tv series and is seemingly part of the same multiverse. |
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kaydub
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| Posted: Sun May 06, 2012 1:46 am |
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| Banken wrote: | | I really wish they had just used the regular coralian antibodies as the enemy in this show, but I'm sure they'll find some sort of convoluted way to explain the Secret/G-Monster (who named these things?!). |
I'm convinced that the Secrets/G-Monsters are actually Mugann from TTGL. I mean, it fits with all the other multi-dimensional space-time weirdness that's been going on. |
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Banken
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| Posted: Sun May 06, 2012 6:20 am |
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| Mad_Scientist wrote: | | Banken wrote: | | I really wish they had just used the regular coralian antibodies as the enemy in this show, but I'm sure they'll find some sort of convoluted way to explain the Secret/G-Monster (who named these things?!). |
This I disagree with. For one thing, I think that would kind of betray the first series. (First series spoilers follow) We spent pretty much the entire series watching all the main characters work hard in order to allow humans and coralians to coexist with and communicate with each other, and at the end they finally succeed in bringing the two species together, though not without some issues thanks to Dewey. To essentially render that all meaningless and make the coralians villains would feel kind of like a slap in the face. Plus, it would require some convoluted logic to explain why the coralians would suddenly be attacking humans, considering even in the first series the antibodies were merely an automatic reaction brought upon by severe damage to the scub coral. The coralians never purposely hurt humans before, why would they start now?
Plus, your idea is kind of what the movie did, though since the movie was an alternate reality and the race was clearly not supposed to be the same species as the scub coral from the tv show I didn't mind. (Movie spoilers) Though technically, even the movie has a connection to the tv series and is seemingly part of the same multiverse. |
Personally I ignore the movie since I think it's less of even an alternative universe and more of just a way to squeeze money out of the franchise without spending the effort and money required to make a true sequel.
It makes perfect sense to have the antibodies as enemies... chronologically AO takes place before the original, and it would make sense for the antibodies to attack humans for taking advantage of the Scab Coral.
ALTHOUGH, I think Eureka apparently coming from the future 10,000 years in the future with knowledge of LFOs and trapar-related techology to 2025 has changed the past in some way... so in a perfectly technical sense, yes, the series is an alternative universe because of the time travel element...even assuming it's the Eureka from the TV series...
Time will tell, and I'm sure it will be epic... I hope. This series doesn't really have the same talent behind the original, just the advantage of a strong franchise.
This will clearly not be a case of the sequel surpassing the original. But it will be enjoyable either way, I'm sure. |
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kaydub
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| Posted: Fri May 11, 2012 11:50 am |
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"Make a contract with me and become a member of Pied Piper!"
Haha, I was rolling after that one. This show certainly likes making references to other series. |
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Yttrbio
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| Posted: Fri May 11, 2012 11:55 am |
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| The moment I observed that all those mechs were the same color, the plot arc was pretty obvious. |
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Mad_Scientist
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| Posted: Fri May 11, 2012 4:10 pm |
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| Banken wrote: |
It makes perfect sense to have the antibodies as enemies... chronologically AO takes place before the original, and it would make sense for the antibodies to attack humans for taking advantage of the Scab Coral.
ALTHOUGH, I think Eureka apparently coming from the future 10,000 years in the future with knowledge of LFOs and trapar-related techology to 2025 has changed the past in some way... so in a perfectly technical sense, yes, the series is an alternative universe because of the time travel element...even assuming it's the Eureka from the TV series...
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Warning, all spoilers in this post reference events that occurred in the past of the original Eureka Seven series, so read at your own risk.
Except I don't think it does take place before the original, at least not in a normal sense. The Scub Coral that appears in AO is behaving nothing like the way it did in the distant past of Eureka Seven. It's not evolving slowly inside the ocean and spreading across the planet by coalescing with other life forms. It's suddenly springing forth, as if from an alternate dimension or timeline. Where are the massive walls of Scub Coral slowly consuming the planet? There hasn't even been an indication that the Scub Coral is at all native to the timeline/world of Eureka Seven Ao.
Now, I suppose the series could have done things differently, and made this clearly take place in the past of Eureka Seven, with the Scub Coral as the main enemy, behaving like it did in the past of Eureka Seven. But I still think that would be a bad choice. For anyone who watched the first series, there would be absolutely zero mystery regarding the antagonists. We'd know that the Scub Coral isn't evil or even aware of the damage it is doing, and that it is only making clumsy attempts to communicate.
Furthermore, it would feel like a retread of the original series plot too much. In the first Eureka Seven, we had a big storyline involving Scub Coral and humans learning to live together and communicate. So what do we get for the sequel? A storyline where we travel to the past, before Scub Coral and humans learned to live together and communicate. So that they can learn to live together and communicate. Again.
Unless of course they decided to do things differently, and not have humans and Scub Coral learn to coexist, and instead have humans kill off the Scub Coral. Which would betray the original series. |
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