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The Coffee God



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PostPosted: Fri Mar 23, 2012 9:23 am Reply with quote
Ok, so after playing around with some of the new-ish options, I wanted to request a couple things.

News on Encyclopedia entries

As I've kept ANN on my Restricted Sites for a few years now (I add/remove it when I want to see certian stuff or login to post) since I got a virus cocktail from one of the ads long ago, it made my life easier when checking on past news articles when there was a More News link at the bottom of the most recent articles taking you to the full list page.
With the new News/Other articles setup, that has been removed for the more conveinent iframe box, which, while I agree that it makes it easy to have it right there, it also requires me to remove ANN from my RS more frequently.

So I wanted to request that the More News link be added back into the entries.


Next...

New Anime tab

Like the other tabs, if you click on it, it should take you to the general page for the section.
IE: News tab goes to News, Encyclopedia tab goes to the Encyclopedia, etc...
However, the New Anime tab instead takes you to the News page, rather than the seperate New Anime general page with all the links.

As this is a new thing, I don't know if it's finalized or not, however, I wanted to put in a request for a general New Anime page like the others, if this is the final version.
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Shiroi Hane
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 23, 2012 12:44 pm Reply with quote
Adverts are now "sandboxed" so that sort of exploit should no longer be possible.
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yuna49



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PostPosted: Sun Apr 08, 2012 12:40 pm Reply with quote
Shiroi Hane wrote:
They do have defined meanings:
AA None
OC Mild (mild bad language and/or bloodless violence)
TA Significant (bloody violence and/or swearing and/or nudity)
MA Intense (graphic depictions of sex, drug use, or bloodshed)
AO Pornographic


I happened to look at the entry for Tokyo Magnitude 8.0 today and saw it has a rating of "significant" objectionable content. Now while it's been a couple of years since I watched that show, I was puzzled how it could have attained such a rating. I don't recall any nudity or excessive swearing, so I'm guessing it received this rating because it has "bloody violence?" While there are, unsurprisingly, people with bloody injuries, it's a show about earthquake victims. It's not as though they've been bloodied through fighting or being shot.

So I followed the "similar series" link and looked at the ratings for other shows I know well like Seirei no Moribito, Kemono no Sou-ja Erin, and Dennou Coil. All of these are listed as having "significant" objectionable content, despite all of them being made for family audiences in Japan. The first two aired on NHK's educational channel. Dennou Coil seems particularly ill-categorized here, as whatever violence occurs takes place in the virtual world, and it isn't all that bloody to begin with. It has a scene where Yasako's father hurries past her while nude as he enters the bath, but he's shot from the side. That's pretty tame stuff by Japanese standards of nudity. What really differentiates Dennou Coil in your minds from Summer Wars, which has only a "mild" rating? (I'll observe in passing that some reviewers on Amazon thought Summer Wars was objectionable for its language and the bathing scenes.)

If I saw an entry for "significant" objectionable content, I'd imagine the show was inappropriate for children in elementary and middle-school to watch. Are these ratings being given using a Western, indeed American, view of what constitutes objectionable material, even if the same material wouldn't be seen as objectionable by its Japanese viewers?

To put these shows in the same category as Chobits, where the main character is sexually exploited in a peep-show setting or, worse, Narutaru, where a character is raped, makes this category essentially meaningless and unhelpful. I watched both these shows with my daughter when she was in her early teens and was uncomfortable with both these episodes. I would have censored Narutaru, but as the rape scene didn't occur until late in the show, it was hard to do so at that point. I had absolutely no qualms about her watching Moribito, Erin, or Dennou Coil.

Erin is a more complicated show to rate because it has what I'd call "disturbing" content (see episode seven in particular) that might upset some younger children, but that's very different from it having "signifcant objectionable content." Tokyo Magnitude 8.0 might be considered "disturbing" for reasons similar to Erin, but again I think it's an overstatement to classify it as having "significant objectionable content."

I guess I'm having the same reaction to this ratings system as partysmores did in an earlier posting. There also doesn't seem to be any method for contesting these judgments either. Perhaps there needs to be some distinction made between fantasy violence and actual violence? I certainly think shows like Chobits and Narutaru deserve a "significant" rating for the reasons I mentioned, but the other shows deserve at most a "mild" rating on the scale of objectionable content.
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Shiroi Hane
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 08, 2012 4:54 pm Reply with quote
Dennou Coil does also have Daichi's father wandering around the house naked and Daichi himself checking for "hair down there".
The Australian censors have slapped an "M" for "Mature" on both volumes, which is less than MA15 but higher than PG, although apparently more for animated violence and supernatural themes than for nudity regardless.
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Dan42
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 08, 2012 7:53 pm Reply with quote
I completely agree with yuna and have already removed the "Significant" for some of those titles and Natsume Yuujincho also. Seriously, some people will tag anything with "Significant" at the slightest hint of a drop of blood, even thought it's supposed to be for "bloody violence" (i.e. being cut down and spraying blood), not just "blood".
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yuna49



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PostPosted: Sun Apr 08, 2012 9:04 pm Reply with quote
Thanks, Dan!

How does one contest a content rating anyway? I looked to see if there was a standardized method for doing so and didn't find one. I'd hate to have to post in this thread any time I wanted to question the accuracy of a rating.

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The Australian censors have slapped an "M" for "Mature" on both volumes, which is less than MA15 but higher than PG, although apparently more for animated violence and supernatural themes than for nudity regardless.


From what I've read of Australian censorship debates over the past few years, I'd expect their censors to have unreasonably narrow-minded opinions about what's acceptable. I certainly wouldn't take their ratings as indicative of what the global audience of anime viewers would find objectionable. And why are "supernatural themes" unacceptable? Because they don't conform to Western monotheistic religious beliefs? What kind of basis is that for judging Japanese story-telling?
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doc-watson42
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 08, 2012 10:43 pm Reply with quote
yuna49 wrote:
How does one contest a content rating anyway? I looked to see if there was a standardized method for doing so and didn't find one. I'd hate to have to post in this thread any time I wanted to question the accuracy of a rating.

See the "Memorandum: Age Rating" thread, linked from the "HOW TO SUBMIT INFO/FIXES TO THE ENCYCLOPEDIA" announcement.
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Shiroi Hane
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 09, 2012 8:03 am Reply with quote
yuna49 wrote:
From what I've read of Australian censorship debates over the past few years, I'd expect their censors to have unreasonably narrow-minded opinions about what's acceptable. I certainly wouldn't take their ratings as indicative of what the global audience of anime viewers would find objectionable.

I bring it up merely because it is a certification from a ratified standards body so is a valid point of reference. Obviously it is of more use if the reverse situation is in effect; e.g. if a show has a higher rating here than on the BBFC or in Australia then something is probably wrong.
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errinundra
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 20, 2012 11:04 pm Reply with quote
errinundra wrote:
Could the series about Satoshi Kon this last week be linked to his entry in the Encyclopedia?

I just know I will want to look them up again some time in the future and it would be the logical way to find them.


It seems this functionality became available some time in the recent past. Perhaps it was always there and I never noticed it.

Anyway, thanks. Very Happy
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Dessa
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PostPosted: Sun May 06, 2012 10:58 am Reply with quote
Related Anime

Under this heading, we list everything (we know of) that's connected to the series in question. This includes anime, manga, live-action entries... Not just anime.

I request we change this from Related Anime to Related Titles, as a large portion of series have more than just anime listed there.
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Shadowwave



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PostPosted: Wed May 16, 2012 10:59 am Reply with quote
It's what friends are there for up and downs.
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dormcat
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PostPosted: Wed May 16, 2012 12:45 pm Reply with quote
Shadowwave wrote:
It's what friends are there for up and downs.

Excuse me, but you've shown some strange behavior after being away from this website for EIGHT years. What's wrong?
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BULK



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PostPosted: Tue May 29, 2012 3:17 am Reply with quote
Could a spot for demographic information be added to encyclopedia entries? Like the spots for genres and themes.

arigato gozaimasu
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doc-watson42
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PostPosted: Tue May 29, 2012 9:51 am Reply with quote
BULK wrote:
Could a spot for demographic information be added to encyclopedia entries? Like the spots for genres and themes.

I think I know what you mean, but would you please be kind enough to spell it out?
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Shiroi Hane
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PostPosted: Wed May 30, 2012 11:02 am Reply with quote
I assume they mean demographics as in shounen/shoujo/seinen/josei etc. Desu.
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