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walw6pK4Alo
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| shamisen the great wrote: | I wonder how many fans of incest anime actually have siblings.
Don't get me wrong. I'm not making judgements. As long as it is consensual, I don't have a problem with it. I'm just curious if people would still be in to it if they had a sister or brother. |
That reminds me, we need more Oedipal works of anime, with Freud as a side character. Ja? |
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bakabakadeshi
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| Posted: Thu May 31, 2012 5:08 am |
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What???!!! This shit of a show wasn't banned?? This is a very unfortunate news for me. I'm totally against incest. This type of show majorly disgusts me.
Immoral fetishists!! |
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walw6pK4Alo
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| Posted: Thu May 31, 2012 5:16 am |
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| bakabakadeshi wrote: | | What???!!! This shit of a show wasn't banned?? This is a very unfortunate news for me. I'm totally against incest. This type of show majorly disgusts me. |
If they had banned it, it now becomes outlawed and cool, and brings massive attention upon itself. Nothing is better publicity than someone telling you what you cannot have, remember those 80s Congress hearings on rock and metal and putting content advisory stickers on CDs? Pure profit for the rockers. |
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VORTIA
Joined: 26 Jul 2005
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| Posted: Thu May 31, 2012 8:58 am |
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| shamisen the great wrote: | I wonder how many fans of incest anime actually have siblings.
Don't get me wrong. I'm not making judgements. As long as it is consensual, I don't have a problem with it. I'm just curious if people would still be in to it if they had a sister or brother. |
For the record, I like imoto anime and have a little sister, but I don't feel that imoto anime is about actual little sisters or my/your actual little sister. Imoto anime is about a fantasy girl whom you have a casual, close relationship with who happens to live at your house that your not allowed to/not supposed to have a relationship with.
It's a forbidden love story about two people who are extremely familiar with each other. So, for me, an anime imoto is a concept utterly divorced from my real-life sibling. |
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Flower Metal
Joined: 23 Apr 2012
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| Posted: Thu May 31, 2012 10:08 am |
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Incest is awesome!
Making something illegal has never solved anything. |
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dandelion_rose
Joined: 12 May 2012
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| Posted: Thu May 31, 2012 10:34 am |
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| dormcat wrote: |
Well, in that case you could start with titles mentioned by Kit-Tsukasa on page 3, particularly Koi Kaze.] |
I'm reading Koi Kaze now actually. But that wasn't my question actually -- my question was a response to someone who said that incest was a trope in Japanese literature, and I wanted to know what they were.
But it's all right though. It's not important. |
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shabaz92
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| Posted: Thu May 31, 2012 11:33 am |
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| bakabakadeshi wrote: | What???!!! This shit of a show wasn't banned?? This is a very unfortunate news for me. I'm totally against incest. This type of show majorly disgusts me.
Immoral fetishists!! |
I see what you did there.
Also, if this show had gotten banned, everyone would be crying foul and wondering what's next. As funny as I found the original article to be, I think the council made the correct call. |
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Myaow
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| Posted: Thu May 31, 2012 11:55 am |
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| dandelion_rose wrote: | | my question was a response to someone who said that incest was a trope in Japanese literature, and I wanted to know what they were. |
I bet that the original poster can give you more and better examples, but the seminal Tale of Genji has a main character molesting his stepmother who is a lookalike of his deceased biological mother, so right off the bat, Japanese literature has some Oedipus stuff going on. In modern literature, big-name books like Banana Yoshimoto's NP and, as you noted, Murakami's Kafka On The Shore deal with parent-child incest as well. I'm sure that I've read some Japanese novels that have sibling incest in them (aside from Kafka) but I can't really think of any off the top of my head. Help, anyone? |
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enurtsol
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| Posted: Fri Jun 01, 2012 4:09 am |
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| Flower Metal wrote: | Incest is awesome!
Making something illegal has never solved anything. |
Tell that to the anti-gun Japanese, hillbillies!  |
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TheAncientOne
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| Posted: Sat Jun 02, 2012 1:33 am |
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| shamisen the great wrote: | I wonder how many fans of incest anime actually have siblings.
Don't get me wrong. I'm not making judgements. As long as it is consensual, I don't have a problem with it. I'm just curious if people would still be in to it if they had a sister or brother. |
I don't mind it at all, and really don't get why people get so bent out of shape over it, especially when they let other things slide by without much of a comment.
Yes, I do have a sister (a few years older than me). |
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Past
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| drale wrote: | | My personal opinion on incest is that if it occurs between two consensual adults and stringent birth control measures are taken, it really isn't anyone's business to judge. While I would never partake in the act, it is my belief that in the next 40 years or so (after this homosexuality controversy is settled) this will be the next great battle of sexual rights. |
But that kind of validates the whole slippery slope argument that those working toward sexual equality are trying to keep a wrap on. I would like to think it should end at the conclusion of the homosexuality controversy. Human kind's great battles for equality starts and stops with race and sexual orientation, it's not a slippery slope, just two categories where certain people find themselves inordinately oppressed. |
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TitanXL
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| Past wrote: | | But that kind of validates the whole slippery slope argument that those working toward sexual equality are trying to keep a wrap on. I would like to think it should end at the conclusion of the homosexuality controversy. Human kind's great battles for equality starts and stops with race and sexual orientation, it's not a slippery slope, just two categories where certain people find themselves inordinately oppressed. |
So? What makes homosexuality okay but incest not okay? If you're for one, you should be for both. |
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Past
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| TitanXL wrote: | | Past wrote: | | But that kind of validates the whole slippery slope argument that those working toward sexual equality are trying to keep a wrap on. I would like to think it should end at the conclusion of the homosexuality controversy. Human kind's great battles for equality starts and stops with race and sexual orientation, it's not a slippery slope, just two categories where certain people find themselves inordinately oppressed. |
So? What makes homosexuality okay but incest not okay? If you're for one, you should be for both. |
I did not include a personal approval or disapproval of one or the other. Do you really want me to say something like homosexuality is okay and incest is gross and me to list some reasons for each of those opinions? No, that is not the point of the statment here. The important thing is consentuality and I don't claim to have the right to determine anyone elses consentuality of things that a so called "moral majority" might feel inclined to claim. I fight toward equality of sexual orientations, being gay, straight or bi and a couple of other variations are the extent of that objective. I heartily disagree with those "moral majority" types that suggest gay marriage will lead to incest marriage, man and dog marriages, mother and pre-teen son marriages. This does not equal saying incest is wrong, and when it comes to incest, promoting consentual freedom in the face of bigoted oppression is the key. This doesn't necessarily exclusively have to do with sexual orientation.
So to be more clear, saying once we've achieved sexual orientation equality now we can move onto incest, only adds fuel to using a [fallacious] slippery slope argument as the basis to continue oppressing gays. It's counterproductive to ALL types of sexual freedom. So I'd like to avoid that.
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dandelion_rose
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| Posted: Sun Jun 03, 2012 7:59 pm |
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| TitanXL wrote: | | Past wrote: | | But that kind of validates the whole slippery slope argument that those working toward sexual equality are trying to keep a wrap on. I would like to think it should end at the conclusion of the homosexuality controversy. Human kind's great battles for equality starts and stops with race and sexual orientation, it's not a slippery slope, just two categories where certain people find themselves inordinately oppressed. |
So? What makes homosexuality okay but incest not okay? If you're for one, you should be for both. |
What the fuckity fudge.
Statements like these makes the paper work I have to do more tempting than my procrastination. This is incredible.
Edit: as someone who comes from a place where incest is a SERIOUS ISSUE, I declare anyone saying anything along these lines as sheer TALKING OUT OF THEIR ASS.
Seriously, stop getting your RL sexual and social education from porn, even if it's the softcore variety. *Especially* of the softcore variety. |
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Surrender Artist
Joined: 01 May 2011
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| Posted: Sun Jun 03, 2012 8:11 pm |
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| dandelion_rose wrote: | | TitanXL wrote: | | Past wrote: | | But that kind of validates the whole slippery slope argument that those working toward sexual equality are trying to keep a wrap on. I would like to think it should end at the conclusion of the homosexuality controversy. Human kind's great battles for equality starts and stops with race and sexual orientation, it's not a slippery slope, just two categories where certain people find themselves inordinately oppressed. |
So? What makes homosexuality okay but incest not okay? If you're for one, you should be for both. |
What the fuckity fudge.
Statements like these makes the paper work I have to do more tempting than my procrastination. This is incredible. |
This is madness! No, this is TITANXL!
At least nobody's brought marrying box turtles up*.
That said, I'm not sure if homosexuality and incest can be treated as equivalent. Homosexuality not just about sexual conduct, but is tied to an identity, and thus a discrete group that is vulnerable to mistreatment and abuse. I'm doubt strongly, but not absolutely, that incest has those qualities. I am nominally receptive to legalizing incest as a matter of principle, but skeptical, hesitant to approach the question and don't see it as an especially urgent.
*Since you might be mercifully unacquainted with certain 'greatest hits' of making American politics an international laughing stock, for an explanation of that comment: see here
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