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PurpleWarrior13
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 Posted: Sat Aug 11, 2012 11:37 am |
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| Anything to combat internet piracy is a good thing. I really wish the "real" streaming sites like Hulu and Crunchyroll would get more attention. Fortunately, I do know a couple people in real life who watch anime on Hulu. We have no use for those illegal sites when the content is being streamed legally. They do far more harm than good. As for YouTube, it's much harder to upload copyrighted content on the site now than it was years back. It's not common for many anime titles to stay on YouTube for more than a few weeks in most cases. |
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Zalis116
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| Posted: Sat Aug 11, 2012 11:41 am |
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| eurotrip1986 wrote: | | Google and Facebook are both government controlled watchdog networks. I don't use either, and now even less of a reason to. I know i want to have a site bring me to where i can watch english dubbing of one piece, OH WAIT that shit is awful lol. Or maybe it will bring me to a site where i can buy english dubbed, and horribly edited manga. Oooh you edited out a whole chapter because it was to "graphic?" ooh thanks lol. |
Are you living in some alternate universe where Funimation's selling an English-dub-only version of One Piece? |
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Xanas
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| Posted: Sat Aug 11, 2012 12:26 pm |
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I think this can only hurt google at least in the short to medium term. It will not help them in any legal battles. It's basically an admission of some guilt or culpability. It's an idiotic move on their part.
They will lose with pirates, they will weaken their legal case, and they provide more reason to support further state laws pushing mandates on ISPs.
Now perhaps that is the play, they want to get laws passed pushing mandates to prevent future search competition threats. I don't know that they've really thought that far ahead, I kind of doubt it. |
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Lynx Amali
Joined: 05 Nov 2010
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Location: Ontario, Canada
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| Posted: Sat Aug 11, 2012 12:38 pm |
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That's implying I use Google!
I don't.
Bing all day every day.
| PurpleWarrior13 wrote: | | Anything to combat internet piracy is a good thing. I really wish the "real" streaming sites like Hulu and Crunchyroll would get more attention. Fortunately, I do know a couple people in real life who watch anime on Hulu. We have no use for those illegal sites when the content is being streamed legally. They do far more harm than good. As for YouTube, it's much harder to upload copyrighted content on the site now than it was years back. It's not common for many anime titles to stay on YouTube for more than a few weeks in most cases. |
I would watch stuff on Hulu.
IF I COULD.
But alas, I'm Canadian.
Still erked that Viz only uses that and only that for their streams and not an internal player like Funi does.
Made me miss out on Lagrange, Zetman and Accel World without resorting to the other stuff (iE; Live airings, etc.) |
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Genet
Joined: 05 Jun 2009
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Location: USA
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| Posted: Sat Aug 11, 2012 1:03 pm |
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| Lynx Amali wrote: | That's implying I use Google!
I don't.
Bing all day every day.
| PurpleWarrior13 wrote: | | Anything to combat internet piracy is a good thing. I really wish the "real" streaming sites like Hulu and Crunchyroll would get more attention. Fortunately, I do know a couple people in real life who watch anime on Hulu. We have no use for those illegal sites when the content is being streamed legally. They do far more harm than good. As for YouTube, it's much harder to upload copyrighted content on the site now than it was years back. It's not common for many anime titles to stay on YouTube for more than a few weeks in most cases. |
I would watch stuff on Hulu.
IF I COULD.
But alas, I'm Canadian.
Still erked that Viz only uses that and only that for their streams and not an internal player like Funi does.
Made me miss out on Lagrange, Zetman and Accel World without resorting to the other stuff (iE; Live airings, etc.) |
While I completely support this measure, since, well, often times when I google a series title, I immediately get a link to an aggregator site, and that's a bit disheartening...
It's ridiculous that people can't watch things just 'cause they're in another country. I mean, I get it, I understand why it is like that right now, but it's still stupid. They need to seriously update their models and allow people who aren't in the US to be able to view content online, like JManga did. |
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Digimontamerfreak
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| Posted: Sat Aug 11, 2012 1:29 pm |
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| I see this as a good measure to prevent any disheartment caused by bad sites that may be clicked on accident during searches, but still makes me wonder about a few things. |
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egoist
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| Posted: Sat Aug 11, 2012 1:37 pm |
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Youtube is having a lot of stuff removed lately, so they probably want to use that to their advantage.
If they really wanted to help the users they'd add it to advanced search instead.
| Mesonoxian Eve wrote: | | What hasn't been determined is what Google means by "valid copyright removal notices". |
Considering the rate in which they've been removing videos from youtube, I doubt they're strict about what's considered a valid one.
| PurpleWarrior13 wrote: | | Anything to combat internet piracy is a good thing. |
You may want to re-word that. But in case wording isn't the issue, I recommend studying more.
| Digimontamerfreak wrote: | | I see this as a good measure to prevent any disheartment caused by bad sites that may be clicked on accident during searches, but still makes me wonder about a few things. |
You don't sound very different from parents expecting TV to do the parenting in their stead. |
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Furudanuki
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| Posted: Sat Aug 11, 2012 2:06 pm |
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| Perhaps I've grown too cynical over the years, but I can't help recalling what paving material is purportedly used on the road to Hell. Regardless of the stated intent I believe this policy is simply adding a shiny new weapon to the Google Bombing arsenal, and we will likely be seeing a large uptick in the number of copyright removal notices being filed as people begin to exploit it. |
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Gon*Gon
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| Posted: Sat Aug 11, 2012 2:47 pm |
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| sigh...it's like Google finds a way to disappoint me once every year... |
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PurpleWarrior13
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| Posted: Sat Aug 11, 2012 2:47 pm |
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| Lynx Amali wrote: | I would watch stuff on Hulu.
IF I COULD.
But alas, I'm Canadian.
Still erked that Viz only uses that and only that for their streams and not an internal player like Funi does.
Made me miss out on Lagrange, Zetman and Accel World without resorting to the other stuff (iE; Live airings, etc.) |
Most of the stuff available on Hulu is also available through FUNimation's website, Netflix, Crunchyroll, and VizAnime (though they might use Hulu embeds, not totally sure. I'm personally not a fan of Hulu's video player).
| egoist wrote: | | You may want to re-word that. But in case wording isn't the issue, I recommend studying more. |
Well, I'm highly against piracy. I don't think it's fair to the people and companies producing the material, and I don't believe anyone's entitled to these shows. I support adding some very loose guidelines to the internet if it's going to be so important in the future, but nothing too strong of course. I think these measures are appropriate. They aren't shutting down the sites, but they are discouraging their actions. |
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Spotlesseden
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| Posted: Sat Aug 11, 2012 4:23 pm |
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| google please, lower those illegal manga websites to page 9999. If you search for anything manga, they are always first page, that's crazy. |
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Mikeski
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| Posted: Sat Aug 11, 2012 4:23 pm |
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| egoist wrote: | | Digimontamerfreak wrote: | | I see this as a good measure to prevent any disheartment caused by bad sites that may be clicked on accident during searches, but still makes me wonder about a few things. |
You don't sound very different from parents expecting TV to do the parenting in their stead. |
Huh? Absentee parenting, like "I don't want to have to put any effort or responsibility into this"? That sounds much more like the pro-piracy stance than the support-the-artist stance.
DMTF could have worded his post a bit more eloquently, but I agree the first page of Google hits should not be the sort of shady sites that have ads just to line the pockets of thieves, unless my search string was "warez pr0n free downloads".
The first search I tried for a not-popular-but-recently-licensed show had an aggregator site listed before ANN's encyclopedia page*, for Haruhi's sake... that's just dumb. And I didn't find the licensee's site in the first 8 pages.
* - ANN was 3rd, after wikipedia and the aggregator |
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SnowMusket
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| Posted: Sat Aug 11, 2012 6:15 pm |
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| Now, if only more than just the first season of Pretty Cure would be liscensed for legal stram... |
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Hardgear
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| Posted: Sat Aug 11, 2012 6:32 pm |
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| Polycell wrote: | | They can't ignore them - acting promptly on takedown requests is the biggest requirement for DMCA safe harbor protection; you have to assume they're correct. |
Ugh, well that explains it. The law itself is stupid in that it does not provide penalties for false accusations. |
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Xanas
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| Posted: Sat Aug 11, 2012 7:15 pm |
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| PurpleWarrior13 wrote: |
Well, I'm highly against piracy. I don't think it's fair to the people and companies producing the material, and I don't believe anyone's entitled to these shows. I support adding some very loose guidelines to the internet if it's going to be so important in the future, but nothing too strong of course. I think these measures are appropriate. They aren't shutting down the sites, but they are discouraging their actions. |
You're right, no one is entitled to those shows, so like all other data they will be copied.
The "guidelines" you would apply to the internet is vague, but regardless all such rules affect the choices of actual people, either being backed by threats or the use of physical force. This is unwarranted merely because you are "highly against" something.
If by "these measures" you refer only to the google search downgrade then I take no issue with that in and of itself. But the only reason google is doing that is because they are under threat of the confiscation of money and property that is theirs that they believe will occur if they don't go along with this. If this were purely voluntary, it would have occurred a long time ago. |
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