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PostPosted: Tue Dec 11, 2012 2:21 pm Reply with quote
Tony K. wrote:
Am I asking for too much in the form of one measly sentence with a little bit of logic or reasoning?
Definitely not. I'd say all of those people just don't read the rules, and it sucks. Putting a list down like that, especially when you've put once of your [EDIT: No listing. Put reasons. -TK] warnings down earlier in the thread shows that they obviously haven't read any of the thread except maybe the title. I know I've had that trouble in the past where people haven't read the OP and post an off-topic reply going just by the title >=(

Thanks TK for doing a great job moderating. I know if I had your job I would've pulled my hair out by now Anime hyper
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 11, 2012 4:02 pm Reply with quote
Riddley wrote:
Americans are ingrained to follow the rules. That's not the same in other countries/cultures.

I think what concerns me is that of all the forums I've visited, moderated, or ran in my time I've never seen so many threads be locked. Even back in the early days of the WoW forums the mods were never as lock happy.

It's not really about "following the rules" for me, but more so that I consider reasoning as a common courtesy. Getting back to the commercial I linked, the significance of it is that even at such a young age with a topic as outlandish as dual-eyed laser beams, if you like something, or in this case want to talk about something, any kind of reason can suffice. Whether or not people agree with your opinion or reasoning is totally subjective, but at least making a case with whatever you believe in is what I'm trying to promote.

As humans, for all the things we like or dislike in the world, we'll always have our reasons. They might not be sound or eloquent reasons, or maybe they are, but I feel it's important that people be able to express themselves for all the positive (and I guess the occasional negative) so that ideas can be exchanged, people are given the opportunity to expand/explore their minds through the interactions of others, and maybe even say they had fun in the process.

The locking is more just an embodiment of consequence, but my intention is never "stop people in their tracks and make them go away" (unless they're just really cantankerous asswipes), it's to say "sorry, try again."

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I wish I were being facetious here, but I'm not. The sheer intelligence of people trying to carry an online conversation is being lost, and it's ridiculous.

Don't take my word for it, go take a look at comments on many forums anymore. Most of them are simply one-liner opinions without reasons for the opinion.

(*sigh*).. Yeah, as much as I love to talk about movies, IMDb and are so overrun with one-liners and off-topic banter, that I'm really disheartened I can't discuss anything with anyone through all that crap. I think this is why I put so much effort into my movie/Blu-ray reviews, or even some of the discussion threads around here. It's a bit of a "half blog, half discussion" approach I take, but it's gotten to the point that I've become so offended by the lack of netiquette that I often end up writing way too much and scaring people off (like my Mushishi thread, which I should damn-well try to finish one of these days Mad! ).

But yeah, like the point I made to Riddley, by essentially promoting people to think for themselves, no matter how simplistic the reasoning, it's my intent to try and galvanize some kind of brain activity, which in turn, can possibly contribute to (or maintain) an atmosphere of intellectual stimulation around here.

And all it takes is a reason.
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 22, 2012 4:43 am Reply with quote
dtm42 wrote:
All the regular Forum-goers know to put reasons, so there's no excuse for us. You should only be tolerant of newbies. I think if a person has ten or more posts, and they make a list without putting reasons, then their entire post should just be deleted. Users with less than ten posts should get their offending post edited to include your message of no listing. Some people will find this harsh but I say tough tits to them, they should have known better. You've given out plenty of warnings after all.

This will be my official policy from now on.

Plus, I get to say "tough tits!"
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 29, 2013 3:38 pm Reply with quote
Tony K: With the last sentence, I would add "Acquire some wits" as really it's not that hard to write reasoning within a post.

I agree with you that one liners or listing really doesn't add much to any topic, but I really don't understand why this is prevalent though.

Makes me wonder if this also translates to how a person communicates in person as well. As a person who has attended college, I can honestly state that no professor, even the most relaxed personal would accept any paper that was laden with one liner sentences that don't provide any crucial detail and don't provide any substance on the material either.

I doubt any boss would accept the answer to why a person wants to work for the company they applied to "just because" and hire them either.

Maybe there is a difference between generations, but I figure given that Anime News Network is a forum that more people would be more apt to express their opinions on any given subject matter. Maybe not always in the most eloquent fashion, but I digress.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 31, 2013 7:03 am Reply with quote
Is it always wrong to post lists?

When responding to someone in the manga recommendation thread, I can often think of atleast half a dozen titles he/she might be interested in, if not more. When that's the case I'll describe one or two suggestions in more detail, but I'll post a list of the other ones (with links to the encyclopedia or wikipedia). So, is that a faux pas as well?
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 31, 2013 7:59 am Reply with quote
Listing doesn't seem to be the real problem. The problem is people not giving reasons. As long as you put some effort - like, a sentence or two - into talking about why each item is on the list, I would personally consider that okay.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 31, 2013 8:00 am Reply with quote
If possible, some kind of detail would be appreciated. Even a single statement per recommendation would suffice. A post that is nothing but a list, however, would be in violation. For instance:


Based on your preferences, I'd recommend:

Bleach -- Supernatural shounen with a fairly complex hierarchy.

Hellsing -- It's something of a quasi period piece in the sense that the organization's values and both the protagonist and antagonist are from a forgotten time.

Tenjou Tenge -- The art is fantastic and it's a great mix of gritty martial arts action and guilty pleasure ecchi.

(^ This would be considered a good effort)

Love Hina

(^ This will get deleted)

I won't always go looking for list posts. But if I find them or if someone reports them, I'll do what has to be done. This thread is just to spread awareness of the fact that it's against the rules to begin with, that it shouldn't be that difficult of a thing to fix, and that you may or may not face my wrath at some point.
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