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PostPosted: Sun May 26, 2013 1:15 pm Reply with quote
I guess DMP is on a roll, but Holy Knight is not an ero manga in Japan and is not anywhere near "adult".

As far as I can tell from their licensing, it seems like DMP is literally classifying anything with nudity as adult/Project-H
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PostPosted: Sun May 26, 2013 2:56 pm Reply with quote
configspace wrote:
I guess DMP is on a roll, but Holy Knight is not an ero manga in Japan and is not anywhere near "adult".

As far as I can tell from their licensing, it seems like DMP is literally classifying anything with nudity as adult/Project-H


Holy Knight has rape scene in it. And It IS Adult by U.S. standard. :/
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PostPosted: Sun May 26, 2013 3:20 pm Reply with quote
Dark Absol wrote:
Holy Knight has rape scene in it. And It IS Adult by U.S. standard. :/

Yeah but so to does Berserk, and Dark Horse is not labeling nor selling that as adults-only. In fact, DMP is also classifying Tezuka's Barbara the same as porn. Check out Rightstuf's listing for it. All their regular ecchi titles are also licensed under the restricted Project-H.

Interestingly the situation is very much the opposite with anime releases in the US (well, except for Viz).
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PostPosted: Sun May 26, 2013 4:47 pm Reply with quote
configspace wrote:
Dark Absol wrote:
Holy Knight has rape scene in it. And It IS Adult by U.S. standard. :/

Yeah but so to does Berserk, and Dark Horse is not labeling nor selling that as adults-only.


Please don't compare Holy Knight to Berserk. The nudity or rape/sex in Berserk actually has a point and is never used just for the sake of pandering. This manga uses masturbation and sex scenes for the hell of it.

I'm surprised it's not hentai in Japan.
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marcos torres toledo



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PostPosted: Sun May 26, 2013 5:01 pm Reply with quote
Just wondering you need a computer or tablet to access this manga or do they publish hard copies. Any way nudity is considered adult in this society Shin Chin was aired on after midnight on the Cartoon Network because of the main character frontal nudity.
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PostPosted: Sun May 26, 2013 5:17 pm Reply with quote
Well that good it a good one but it not really an adult manga
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PostPosted: Sun May 26, 2013 8:57 pm Reply with quote
Kerberous wrote:
Please don't compare Holy Knight to Berserk. The nudity or rape/sex in Berserk actually has a point and is never used just for the sake of pandering. This manga uses masturbation and sex scenes for the hell of it.

That's irrelevant since that's a matter of subjective values. For any kind of consistency you can only judge based on objective facts, not something relative.

Furthermore, it is not pandering. A politician panders for votes when he does someone that is not aligned with his own internal values or intention. But if it is aligned, if he truly believes in what he's selling, then by definition, he cannot be pandering. And so it is here, as we know the author herself likes and intends the titillation.

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I'm surprised it's not hentai in Japan.

I'd be surprised if it were. Look, DMP's paranoia even extends to more serious works like Barbara as I mentioned, and the paranoia unnecessarily limits the audience and their own business, including where they can advertise these originally non-adult titles. With the exception of Viz, it is also not consistent with how other US manga publishers like Dark Horse, Seven Seas, Yen Press, and anime publishers rate their own works (though TV is a different matter)

For example, Ikkitousen Dragon Destiny, Kanokon, Queen's Blade are all rated for age 16. While Sentai rates Motto To Love Ru and Majikoi for age 14. And Seikon no Qwaser is still M, not hentai/adults-only.
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PostPosted: Mon May 27, 2013 6:17 am Reply with quote
configspace wrote:
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Sure, let's ignore the fact that Holy Knight goes to places with its fanservice and pandering, that Ikkitousen, Sekirei, Freezing, Kenichi, Highschool of the Dead and others will not. With the exception of Dark Horse, other publishers won't even think about not censoring something, if it keeps it from getting shrinkwrapped. At least I agree on the matter of Barbara.

Pandering
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a person who caters to or profits from the weaknesses or vices of others.

I think you should look up words in the dictionary before attempting to correct me.
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PostPosted: Mon May 27, 2013 11:02 am Reply with quote
marcos torres toledo wrote:
Just wondering you need a computer or tablet to access this manga or do they publish hard copies.

They do publish books on paper.

Kerberous wrote:

Sure, let's ignore the fact that Holy Knight goes to places with its fanservice ...

Yes. Let's ignore that. Please!
A rating that is based on content should be objective. It should not be based on somebody's opinion of whether or not that content is necessary for the story. Leave that for the reviewers.

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Pandering
2.
a person who caters to or profits from the weaknesses or vices of others.

Pandering is something else that is subjective. That definition could be applied to anybody who creates, produces, or sells manga or anime, or any kind of entertainment.
People seem to use "pandering to" for things that they do not approve of and "appealing to" for things that they like.

Getting away from that topic, I bought "Embrace and Bloom" which was one of the first books that Project-H published. I was disappointed that they published the censored version, and that is one reason why I have not bought anything else from them.
Is it their policy to print the censored version, or might that have been a situation where they just could not get the uncensored drawings?
And if they are publishing books that are not hentai then I will definitely be avoiding them.
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Sakura Shinguji



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PostPosted: Mon May 27, 2013 7:55 pm Reply with quote
Touma wrote:
Getting away from that topic, I bought "Embrace and Bloom" which was one of the first books that Project-H published. I was disappointed that they published the censored version, and that is one reason why I have not bought anything else from them.
Is it their policy to print the censored version, or might that have been a situation where they just could not get the uncensored drawings?


Most of their books are "censored" versions, so far as they were censored for Japanese publication. This owes largely to the fact that the publishers they've been predominantly working with thus far do not make uncensored versions available for licensing, apparently in some cases because uncensored finalized versions do not exist; rather, that the censoring was done by the author in line with Japanese publishing standards during the creation of the book before sending it to print, and so for an uncensored version to exist the author would have to either create a new finalized version from his original files (if the work was finished digitally) or draw in the missing bits from scratch (if the work was finished by hand, and as was the case for a few previously-released "uncensored" titles in the U.S.).

So, strictly speaking, while the censorship is disappointing, particularly given the history of uncensored eromanga in the U.S., it's not anything more or less than Japanese fans got, or what you'd be getting by importing the Japanese version or illegally downloading it or reading it online somewhere. And it's not really something in DMP's or Project-H's power to control.

That being said, they have stated on at least one prior occasion that they've heard the feedback from fans thus far, and seem to be trying to get uncensored versions where possible. Yamatogawa's titles (e.g., How Good Was I?, Power Play!) were mentioned as titles that should likely be uncensored. It's worth noting that a lot of the titles released several years ago by Icarus when they were still active, including the Yamatogawa title Aqua Bless, were all licensed from Tenma Comics, and were all released uncensored. So, again, publisher-based issues.
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PostPosted: Wed May 29, 2013 2:06 am Reply with quote
configspace wrote:
Dark Absol wrote:
Holy Knight has rape scene in it. And It IS Adult by U.S. standard. :/

Yeah but so to does Berserk, and Dark Horse is not labeling nor selling that as adults-only. In fact, DMP is also classifying Tezuka's Barbara the same as porn. Check out Rightstuf's listing for it. All their regular ecchi titles are also licensed under the restricted Project-H.


Well, that title is listed as "Adult" and having "Explicit Content," but it's not under the Project-H label. So, they appear to be labeling it as adult but not hentai, meaning that it's not appropriate for folks under 18, but it's not outright porn either.
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