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Wolverine Princess
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Darn, I guess I'm sure to get molested, since I only guessed 11 of 19 correctly. By that website's standards, that translates to a %57.9 D+, but at my school that'd be a big, fat F. At least I scored %8.2 higher than the average score of %49.7. |
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Steve007101
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Dang, I should take that then.. I feel like I might be molested after this lol
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RyoShin
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As far as Naruto goes, it's not on Adult Swim because it doesn't belong on Adult Swim. While there is a lot of action in it, the amount of blood/cursing is barely above Toonami standards, so it makes more sense to edit it slightly and stick it on what is probably a wider base than to keep it intact and put it on AS where it might not measure up to the "maturity" level expected (Cowboy Bebop, Samurai Champloo, Ghost in the Shell).
Pedophilia refers to pre-pubescent children. What you're talking about is Ephebophilia, which is the " sexual preference in which an adult is primarily or exclusively sexually attracted to postpubescent adolescents". Ephebophilia refers to those that have near the end or have completed puberty (the age range is 13-18). While this is still illegal as far as sexual encounters go, it is not viewed with nearly the disdain that pedophilia is. In fact, there are quire a few countries where the age of consent is 14, which is generally after puberty has come and gone. In my opinion, ephebophilia is a grey area. While they aren't adults yet, and don't necessarily have the maturity to handle sexual situations, they are much more capable of handling situations than those below the puberty line. It's still wrong legally, and I don't see a problem with that, but I can't say that I haven't glanced at a few girls of questionable age myself while at the mall or something. (Of course, being 21, the age difference is far less than in your general pedophile case.) That doesn't really answer your question, but I thought it was relevent data. |
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mlund
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A principle is rather pointless if you never consider how it can be applied - which is where content and context come it. At any rate, no one is talking about punishing anyone for how they think and feel. No one is even talking about punishing people who draw or write this crap. Heck, Zac doesn't even take the position of banning it from the marketplace - which is fully permissable under the Commerce Clause of the U.S. Constitution, and is subject to much less scrutiny than most Freedom of Speech issues since it isn't Political Speech. It can be successfully argued to be much closer to yelling "Fire" in a crowded theater or mutilating puppies for fun (not protected) than publishing critical editorials or burning flags (protected). Instead the only proposal I can infer here at all is possibly that the greater body of individuals that make up the community reject this by refusing to fund it with their patronage and currency. - Marty Lund Last edited by mlund on Fri Jul 28, 2006 6:58 pm; edited 1 time in total |
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burzmali
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And that would be the fourth time you have battled an argument no one has made. I even beat JMays on that one! I've lost track of whichever post I was supposed to defend against, however, I am still behind Zac. As a professional in his mid-twenties, I would prefer that people didn't assume I pedo for the few anime-related trinkets scattered on my desk. Also, isn't a pedophile who says they don't want to actually have sex with a child more or less like a lesbian who doesn't really plan to have sex with another woman? |
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Mint Mania IIDX
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After reading all of the last posts, I can't even think of where to begin, so I'm just to say some stuff and hope it turns out fine.
- Not everyone who looks at lolicon and enjoys it is a pedophile. The only way I can really back this up is by personal testimony. I look at lolicon. I find many of the pictures I see sexually appealing. I enjoy them. I have a little sister. If someone were to touch her in an inappropriate way, I would shoot their kneecaps and elbows out and leave them to die. That's simply not something you do. I am strongly against child molestation, as are many other people who like lolicon that I have associated myself with. However, I'm not going to be against pedophilia, because if I was, I would have to be against every sexual preference that I myself have that differs from the "socially-acceptable" norm or suffer the title of "hypocrite". You know someone out there is masturbating to guro. It's just an attraction. A thought process. Leave it alone. - I don't care what the dictionaries are saying. When you break it down, the word "pedophilia" is not synonymous with "raping a small child". If this was the case, then Philadelphia would be "the city of brotherly rape". The suffix "-philia" means "attraction or affinity". If I'm a bibliophile, that doesn't mean I want to rape books. Once again, it's just an attraction. - The people that should be the most concern are those who cannot distinguish the line between fantasy and reality. I know the difference between Sasami from Tenchi Muyo and little Susie from down the street. One isn't real, and one is. Sasami can't get physically or emotionally destroyed. What harm, then, is there in looking at hentai of her? Perhaps I will strive to have sex with a small child that looks like Sasami? Good luck with that. Photorealistic pictures are another matter and should be done away with. One of the things about anime is that IT IS BEYOND REALISM. No girl's breasts act like that, no one can jump that high, and no robot's functions can be controlled entirely by two knobs and a scream. Anime is fantasy. Don't bring one world into another. - Steroid, I know what you're saying, but for the love of god, reword it. There are better ways of stating that, and people are going to rip what you have apart and twist it in a lot of ways. - Zac, chill out. Seriously, in what communities are you hearing about these whole "anime is violent pornography" things? I heard that for the first time TODAY. I mean, seriously, even local newspapers around here are praising things like anime shows and conventions. Hell, they properly looked at yaoi and yuri in the article. Lolicon is not going to seep its way into mainstream anime, making the entire medium seem like a pedophilic wonderland. Do you know what most people see when they see anime? Pokemon. Inuyasha. Dragonball Z. Unless The Story of Little Monica becomes the next huge Cartoon Network anime, complete with trading card game and movie premieres, what in the world are you worried about? At worst, you can just say "I'm not into that." Do all people who look at porn look at child porn too? No, and it's absurd to throw the two together. Do all people who watch Fullmetal Alchemist also check out the latest lolicon image sets from AskRay? No, and the same absurdity applies. You know what they say about assuming. In spite of all this, I do respect your opinion and understand your concern. I just find your generalizations a bit harsh and undeserving. It's as if I said that all of you guys like anime so you must be regulars at Gaia Online, because that would make sense, right? You must talk about Inuyasha all the time and how hot Kagome is or how the girls want to get into Sesshoumaru's pants. We're all smarter than that, so at least give us a little benefit of the doubt. - Someone point me to something that states that lolicon has at any point in the past been proven to cause real-life child molestation. |
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Steve007101
Posts: 165 Location: IL, USA |
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Yeah when it comes down to it we're just blowing this arguement way out of proportion. Hopefully it implodes soon.
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sabriyahm
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There are quite a few states here in the US where the age of consent is 14. And I do see a difference in some one liking a teenage girl (animated or otherwise especially if she looks 20) and someone liking an eight year old. Lolicon is of the pre-teen variety. That's what makes it so disturbing to me. The attraction is beyond my ability to comprehend. |
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fighterholic
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I myself do look at loli as well, but if you were to act on it, then there's a problem. I've thought about acting on it, but knowing that it is wrong I've had to go to a health councilor, and will go to a psychiatrist to make sure it doesn't become a big issue. And yes, this has gone on since I've read manga. I haven't raped anybody though. Is somebody going to call me a pedo?
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Mint Mania IIDX
Posts: 77 Location: Central |
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The state I live in has the age of consent, which makes me wonder about the public sentiment of ephebophilia. |
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sabriyahm
Posts: 291 Location: Georgia |
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I can only assume you are a young anime fan because I remember the days when anime was thought to be foriegn animated porn. With lots of violence. And I must assume your youth is why you are again missing the point. KEEP YOUR LOLI! No it does not make you a pedophile. But be prepared. People are gong to think you are if they here about it. More importantly people are going to think I AM when they here I am an anime fan. People are really approaching this from the anime fan stand point. Step out side your little boxes people and remember everyone IS NOT an anime fan. Most people don't know diddly squat about anime then those few glowing articles they read recently about that last convention. Next year instead of glowing articles it could be "Graphic child porn at anime convention." And then the rest of us will have to do a lot of explaining. Is it wrong for us to want to avoid having to make those explanations? Is it wrong for us to hope that no one ever finds out about the lolicon side of anime? Is it wrong for us to find it creepy and disgusting? I mean jeez people we are giving you all the freedom you could possibly expect. You get to buy it, watch it and distribute it. All we're saying is this is going to make us all look bad so we hope it goes away before anyone finds out about it. And toward that end I will not be financially supporting anything that hints at loli. That we even have to have this debate is mind boggling to me. I give up. Have a lovely day everyone. Last edited by sabriyahm on Fri Jul 28, 2006 7:12 pm; edited 2 times in total |
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Malintex Terek
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You're clearly an idiot and are defintely a pedophile. One can only dangle a bone in front of a dog for so long before it tries to bite at it. Stupid 18-25 year old men will mentally diminish the severity of pedophillia whenever they look at it; first, it's pictures. Then, it's touching a child. Finally, before one knows it, it's intercourse. The line must be drawn at the beginning. If one even thinks about *seriously* looking at the kind of stuff, that trend of thinking must be fixed. |
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Pleroma
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Damn, you better have never played a violent videogame or watched a violent movie or else I sure hope you are right now on the way to your local police station to turn yourself in as an inevitable future mass-murderer. Well eitehr that or you are a damn hypocryte with no concept of reality. EDIT: I understand the concerns as far as public opinion, but would you really want to associate yoursef with people who would judge you based solely on what the evening news may say? Obviously certain unpleasant interactions are inevitable, but if anyone ever treated me this way I would simply tell them what an ignorant tool they are and go on my merry way. I'll make do, and be able to go on living without sacrificing my sense of self worth to judgemental idiots. Last edited by Pleroma on Fri Jul 28, 2006 7:17 pm; edited 1 time in total |
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Steve007101
Posts: 165 Location: IL, USA |
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I think the latter is correct personally.
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Dargonxtc
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He is clearly not an idiot, but you clearly have shown what you are. edit: changed words to be more friendly. Last edited by Dargonxtc on Fri Jul 28, 2006 7:28 pm; edited 2 times in total |
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