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Cross Ange: Rondo of Angels and Dragons (TV).

I'm now worried that even if Tusk survives the show, his junk might not.

@Dusky

Did you not see the scene where Julio was being directly controlled by the succubus girl? I think they made it pretty clear he was under her spell. We really don't know if he actually was the one in control of actions the whole time or not. The anime is pretty vague about it. But if he wasn't that only makes the situation really screwed up. He should have gotten a chance to redeem himself since he was never fully control of what he was doing.

@Misty

Again THAT's exactly the point I was making in my last post. Everyone else including her closest friends and family instantly believed the story Ange was a Norma while turning on her without blinking an eye. The exceptions to this are the maid and Misty (the maid only took one episode of coaxing before accepting it). Hell I don't think Misty was even THAT personally close to Ange yet she still couldn't believe what she was being told. The fact she felt the need to come out personally to see if it was true proves that she did care about Ange. The stage of disbelief is what a TRUE friend goes through if they found someone close to them was suddenly someone they are supposed to hate. I believe that Misty could have possibly been coaxed to Ange's side had she been able to have a truthful conversation with her. If Misty ended up being totally unreasonable about it then I could except what ultimately happened. But instead Ange spits on her kindness and only ends up REINFORCING the stereotype people have about Norma's (that they are violent and destructive creatures). Not exactly helping in making Ange's character likeable.

@ Protecting people

What? Didn't Ange outright state she simply liked the system of killing dragons and getting money? She never implied early on that she gave a shit about anyone else (till the maid showed up). Being an asshole to others isn't exactly the best way of protecting them ESPECIALLY when you end up causing them to want you gone by stealing their money and being general bitch every waking moment.

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@Dusky Did you not see the scene where Julio was being directly controlled by the succubus girl? I think they made it pretty clear he was under her spell. We really don't know if he actually was the one in control of actions the whole time or not. The anime is pretty vague about it. But if he wasn't that only makes the situation really screwed up. He should have gotten a chance to redeem himself since he was never fully control of what he was doing.

Actually we never have proof that Lizarda hypnotizes Julio. Lizarda as told by Salamandinay to Ange, was on a recon mission. If that entails banging Julio so be it. The point of the mission was to gather information about the whereabouts of the giant dragon. What Julio did to Ange is not the consequence of Lizarda. Julio was a power hungry bastard (it happens in royal families, and history is full of brothers betraying one another for the throne) that happened to find the excuse (and what an excuse) to eliminate his sister. Look no further than that.

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@Misty Again THAT's exactly the point I was making in my last post. Everyone else including her closest friends and family instantly believed the story Ange was a Norma while turning on her without blinking an eye. The exceptions to this are the maid and Misty (the maid only took one episode of coaxing before accepting it). Hell I don't think Misty was even THAT personally close to Ange yet she still couldn't believe what she was being told. The fact she felt the need to come out personally to see if it was true proves that she did care about Ange. The stage of disbelief is what a TRUE friend goes through if they found someone close to them was suddenly someone they are supposed to hate. I believe that Misty could have possibly been coaxed to Ange's side had she been able to have a truthful conversation with her. If Misty ended up being totally unreasonable about it then I could except what ultimately happened. But instead Ange spits on her kindness and only ends up REINFORCING the stereotype people have about Norma's (that they are violent and destructive creatures). Not exactly helping in making Ange's character likeable.

We know why the maid never turned on Angelise. There is even a flashback scene when she is hurt and Angelise helps her. Kindness is a very powerfull emotion. And while she may have been the maid, she has developed affection for Ange. That's why she hasn't betrayed her when Ange turned out to be a norma. She is the embodiement of the "real friend". Ange's mother and father also didn't betray her. The mother actually died protecting her daughter.
As for Misty, she is an acquaintance of Ange. She doesn't have the deep emotional relationship that develops between Momoka and Ange. Misty could have disbelieved that Ange was a norma, as you could disbelieve your neighbour if he turned out to be a serial killer. Curiosity is what made Misty go to the Arzenal. Pure curiosity, like being curious about a savage animal. The only true friend Angelise has ever had is Momoka. The anime is pretty clear about this.

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@ Protecting people What? Didn't Ange outright state she simply liked the system of killing dragons and getting money? She never implied early on that she gave a shit about anyone else (till the maid showed up). Being an asshole to others isn't exactly the best way of protecting them ESPECIALLY when you end up causing them to want you gone by stealing their money and being general bitch every waking moment.

She said that when she didn't know that dragons were actually people. When she realised what the dragons were, well that changed her perspective a little bit. I don't see what's so strange about it.
As for being an asshole, well that asshole managed to keep the team alive. Even Salia recognised it. And Ange acted like that because she was sure she was going to be backstabbed by the others. So better do the work yourself instead of relying on others.

Frankly leatherhead333 I seriously wonder wether you've watched the anime. Maybe with one eye closed and tucked under your bed. That's not a good way to watch. You have to pay attention to everything. Every little detail counts.

I think Momoka knew Ange best, she knew what she was really like and that her personality was not faked.

As for Momoka, given how nasty this story has been in the past I wouldn't be surprised to find out she's been working for Embryo all along.