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EP. REVIEW: CROSS ANGE Rondo of Angel and Dragon


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Ingraman



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PostPosted: Sun Mar 01, 2015 8:06 pm Reply with quote
Souther wrote:
I'll wait until the review comes up before discussing it in full but wooh boy was this episode crazy.

There is another thread for discussing Cross Ange, so there's no real reason to wait for the episode review to post about it. Heh... It's the discussion thread, but it's only about 2/3-3/4 the length of this one.

Since this thread is supposedly all about the reviews, I'm slightly surprised by all the posts that pop up before the review does... ^^
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nbahn wrote:
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I must have missed that particular memo; may I trouble you to link to it, please?
I guess there was no official call on it, but Theron mentions it here. Spoilers certainly haven't been policed in Episode Review threads, so I assumed that was the policy.
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@Ingraman: For some mythical reason, at the time I made that post, I forgot about the other thread. I've even posted in there before lol. Doesn't help that this thread's more popular as well.

I was getting behind Chris's reasoning at first (though she seems to have forgotten that Hilda took a bullet for her) and she's always been clingy and rather spiteful (she spat in Hilda's face and was scared about Rosalie leaving her). Plus she's a hanger on who latches onto stronger people for her needs, so I'm not surprised at her sticking with Embryo. Then she started talking about her hair and that was really petty. Seems to me like Rosalie was more the one getting short changed in the relationship, the power dynamics always had her at the bottom.

EDIT: Haruto was in the arcade game Hilda and Rosalie were playing.


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Yttrbio--
Thanks for the link.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 01, 2015 11:09 pm Reply with quote
This is the first I've bothered to look into Cross Ange for any reason. After reading the review of the first three episodes, all I can say of the script writers is that someone has been reading Candide, and A Song Of Ice And Fire.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 01, 2015 11:19 pm Reply with quote
Souther wrote:
I was getting behind Chris's reasoning at first (though she seems to have forgotten that Hilda took a bullet for her) and she's always been clingy and rather spiteful (she spat in Hilda's face and was scared about Rosalie leaving her). Plus she's a hanger on who latches onto stronger people for her needs, so I'm not surprised at her sticking with Embryo. Then she started talking about her hair and that was really petty. Seems to me like Rosalie was more the one getting short changed in the relationship, the power dynamics always had her at the bottom.

Yeah, Chris's logic seemed fairly petty to me, too, and I agree with your interpretation of her character.

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EDIT: Haruto was in the arcade game Hilda and Rosalie were playing.

Oh, geez, you're right (and I'm just wrapping up a review for that series, so I should have caught it):



Hard to tell, but that could be L-elf he's fighting.
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Yeah, Chris's logic seemed fairly petty to me, too, and I agree with your interpretation of her character.

That wasn't "Chris's" logic -- that was her pique amplified and manipulated by Embryo. Without that interference she could have been content to be playmate of Rosalie and Hilda forever or at least separate under more normal terms. If she survives no doubt she will repent/repudiate her current attitude.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 01, 2015 11:56 pm Reply with quote
^^Oh my god, that is Haruto and L-Elf in the game.

I guess we may not fully know to what extent that Chris has had her weakness taken advantage of. The reasoning did seem fairly petty, but in line with what we had seen.
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Director Fukuda Mitsuo tweeted storyboard images showing that Tusk had strapped enough C4 explosives to himself to blow up Embryo.

Japanese broadcast regulations, and concerns on terrorism depictions, led to censoring that scene.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 02, 2015 12:08 pm Reply with quote
zztop wrote:
Director Fukuda Mitsuo tweeted storyboard images showing that Tusk had strapped enough C4 explosives to himself to blow up Embryo.

Japanese broadcast regulations, and concerns on terrorism depictions, led to censoring that scene.


Really? How fascinating. Terror in Resonance got away with lots of scenes showing explosives and terrorism.

Wonder if this is related to recent events in the Middle East? Or perhaps it was the suicide-vest thing that was going too far?
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 02, 2015 1:36 pm Reply with quote
Rogueywon wrote:
Wonder if this is related to recent events in the Middle East? Or perhaps it was the suicide-vest thing that was going too far?

I have no doubt that it's the latter.
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Red Fox of Fire



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PostPosted: Wed Mar 04, 2015 6:47 pm Reply with quote
I can relate to Chris in this episode. Hair is a really big deal.

Zac wrote:
Sexism against men can exist and the mods and administrative staff here are aware of that.

Personally I felt the "medical examination" scene with Tusk was just as tasteless as all the other sexual assault instances in this show. It wasn't more or less tasteless because it was a dude.

I'm not sure what Theron is referring to there but speaking as an administrator, we are interested in promoting equality.

I wasn't saying it was worse because a dude was the victim, but because of how the scene was treated as a joke.

In any case, this is good to hear. I was worried there.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 08, 2015 2:43 pm Reply with quote
Episode 22

Although very sad, I would have preferred for Tusk to stay dead. I wanted Ange and Hilda to end as a couple. It was funny to hear Ange (during the next episode preview) talk to Tusk about how conveniently he avoided death.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 08, 2015 2:47 pm Reply with quote
I've posted in more detail over in the general discussion thread, but the one thing I'd repeat in specific reference to the review is the Tusk/Momoka point.

Momoka has at least a plausible explanation for how she survived. Tusk doesn't and he sidesteps rather than denying Ange's question as to whether he's been resurrected. He's also magically healed of his wounds (while Momoka at least has a frying pan with a bullet in it to show). He does, however, deny that he is an Embryo-puppet.

They're also on an island that it is implied it took Ange some time to fly to, despite not having a visible means of transportation to get there.

And at the same time, Ange is now pretty comfortable with using her ring to teleport around the Vilkiss. My guess is that the combination of the ring and something in the royal bloodline means that she has at least some measure of the same powers that Embryo does now. If Tusk's back from the dead, it's probably Ange's wish that brought him back. Momoka... who knows? I'm more impressed that she managed to whip up that dinner despite not having the Light of Mana this time.

To be honest, even though it could be a cop-out, I'm kinda glad they're not dead. Tusk has grown on me a bit over the course of the series, and the idea of any ending to this show which involves a dead Momoka is unimaginably bleak.

Edit: Also, the theory that the whole thing is just Ange's delusion, while amusing (I've seen it suggested elsewhere that she just gave her virginity to an extremely surprised sea-turtle), is disprovable. Ange had no way of knowing there was a second para-mail hidden on the island, let alone how to find its hiding place.
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Being able to make an improbably sumptuous meal out of poor ingredients and/or cooking conditions is a long-standing anime/manga joke. My-Otome parodied it in 2005, and I know it dates at least as far back as 2001's Mahoromatic - Automatic Maiden. (And I'd be surprised if that was its first occurrence.)

And the possibility that Tusk and Momoka are there because Ange's ability to use both the song and Villkiss are allowing her to subconsciously tap into Embryo's power is an interesting one. Still feels gimmicky, but at least there would be some logical basis for it.
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