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leafy sea dragon
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Ah yes, I remember this episode. It was always one of the standout episodes to me because while I was never one of the cool kids, I did know some cool kids who suffered falls like Yuichi's.
The pressure kids face is enormous. Sadly, it's a world hidden to most adults. |
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DangerMouse
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Totally agree with this. These should continue to be really interesting. |
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XakonXIV
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I seriously can't believe that despite having watched PA a grand total of three times, I've never drawn any parallels between episode 3 and Perfect Blue. The similarities are glaringly obvious!
Anyway, Nick's analysis today was both interesting and enjoyable to read, as always, although I do disagree about this episode being one of the weaker ones. I view the episode as a highlight personally, if only for it being one of the most effective ones in terms of horror and suspense (to me anyway), with the climax being one of my favourite moments in the entire series. But to each their own, I guess. Oh, and this new review series is a brilliant idea, by the way. Really hope they become a recurring thing here on the site! |
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Bonham
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It's not just that, but Kon really screws up here by criticizing a character who has an actual mental illness! On top of that, she is actually attempting to get over the problem, sees a psychiatrist, etc. Yet Kon still equates Harumi to Yuichi and other far more selfish and nasty characters in future episodes. I dunno how else to really look at it other than a really messed up moral judgment of mental illness, unless one argues that it's somehow thematically different than much of the rest of the series. Of course, then you have to fault Paranoia Agent for being rather messy and muddled thematically... Either way, I definitely agree that this is the weakest episode so far, and is definitely one of my least favorite episodes in the series. The first half of the series in general is uneven, but that makes it easier for these kind of episodic reviews. |
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leafy sea dragon
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I remember there was a for-fun class (but worth miscellaneous credit) where various TV shows were screened. They covered Paranoia Agent, which I was surprised about, and "Double Eyes" was the episode chosen.
I personally feel like there are better episodes to show, especially for a class that comprised largely of people who were unfamiliar with anime, let alone this series. (Either of the two episodes before this one, for instance.) |
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Great Rumbler
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Reminds me of the central theme of No Country for Old Men: the lament of the elders who can't understand the modern world, where things have become more complicated and the things that used to make sense just don't make sense anymore. But in reality it was the man himself who had changed and his memories of yesteryear were heavily clouded with unrealistic nostalgia. |
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hooliganj
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I would say that Paranoia Agent's goal isn't to critique its various cast members as people. The themes in play are about modern society and culture, and the characters function as windows into different aspects of that culture. Harumi and Maria present a vision of a society where we cannot resolve a fundamental crisis of identity - where the far end of multiculturalism, connectedness and open-mindedness have fragmented us all into people so disparate that we barely recognize one another, and are thus at odds with each other and ourselves. Harumi's mental illness is a dramatic shortcut, and it's not wrong to take umbrage with this portrayal. But this is one of those stories where it makes the most sense to think of the characters as symbols rather than people. |
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whiskeyii
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Spoilers for waaaay into the future, but I never felt that Kon was criticizing Harumi for having an alternate personality, but instead for spoiler[not being honest about it to her fiance. All the characters are criticized for using *something* as an emotional crutch and running away from their problems, rather than facing them. Harumi, though she rightfully seeks counseling, is very hesitant to trust her fiance, which is kind of a big deal when marriage is involved.] I feel like that was the point of Harumi's episode, not to illustrate that she's somehow demonized because of her mental illness, but that she's making the same basic mistake as all the other victims--and by extension, the rest of society. |
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Animechic420
Posts: 1727 Location: A Cave Filled With Riches |
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Well done! |
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Bonham
Posts: 419 Location: NYC |
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I do like your interpretation, and will admit it's been a while since I last saw it, so my opinion could change. Still, based on my memories of my multiple viewings, I'm not sure if I agree. Paranoia Agent seems chiefly concerned with (spoilers for the final three to four episodes) spoiler[self-induced victimhood, and how people escape to it when they cannot take on the responsibilities in their own lives. I believe in episode ten, Detective Ikari's wife outright says that Lil' Slugger is providing people a coward's way out of their problems. This isn't something the series is subtle about with its opening theme and the first episode with Tsukiko's lie. This is a fine theme, but feels a bit haphazardly applied to Harumi and later Taeko, when they are both victims of either things or people they cannot control (with Harumi you could say it's a different issue, but I'll discuss that in a reply to another poster). Their situations are remarkably different than Yuichi and Hirukawa, yet the bat hits them all the same. I don't think that kind of judgment is intended, but it's that kind rigidity makes it a thematic mess.]
Like I mention above, the issue I have with that is (episode six spoilers) spoiler[the brush stroke is so broad that Harumi's supposed mistake is equivocated to Yuichi's and Hirukawa's, which doesn't fit at all. And I don't know how Taeko fits into this. Her father is guilty of being a rapist and a thief. Harumi is guilty of not telling her husband about her mental illness. Taeko is guilty of... well, from what I remember, nothing. It really makes the thematic focus rather messy.] Then there's the whole "Madonna-whore" cliche in episode three that's just feels lazy, especially compared to how Kon used it in Perfect Blue.
It's something to keep in mind for later episodes. |
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Via_01
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Ahh, this episode. I remember feeling the same way Nick felt when watching it for the first.time. It’s Paranoia Agent's weakest episode, but certainly much better if taken within context of what comes next. I hope Nick takes that into consideration for future episodes.
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whiskeyii
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Agreed. In that sense, PA reminds me a bit of Utena; chock-full of stuff, so you kind of need that week in between to decompress and suss it all out, but probably best viewed in something closer to a binge-watch.
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DTJB
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I actually liked the RPG episode, one of my favorites.
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Sahmbahdeh
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Yeah, episode 5 is much better when viewed in the context of the next episode.
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Joe Carpenter
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Lord was it creepy when that girl discovered spoiler[her own father was watching her undress]
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