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Paiprince wrote:

Yeah, I'm pretty sure it was a punk kid trying to start shit because SAO hate is kewl. I mean, he pretty much accomplished his mission by having this clickbait article written.

I don't get how this is any more of a "clickbait article" than any other news piece, but I'll admit that I think the word "clickbait" is pretty arbitrary in the first place.

Recommendations on banning stuff like this can only come from the most ignorant people who haven't read many books that are readily available in those libraries without age restrictions...

Any bookworm will know: Japanese literature pales in comparison when it comes to violence and sex portrayed in minute details on oh so many classic books that builds the very foundations of american, english and other nationalities literature.

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Paiprince wrote:

No, what needs to be trashed are people like you who think they're doing the world a favor because a series they don't like is popular.

Yeah, I'm pretty sure it was a punk kid trying to start shit because SAO hate is kewl. I mean, he pretty much accomplished his mission by having this clickbait article written.

The reason it was banned from the school seems more like a need for censorship than hate.

Anyways, that's not my point. Many people despise Sword Art Online and have strong analysis to back it up. Those people are also against censorship and have strong analysis to back it up. My point is that those people need to keep Sword Art Online around to be against censorship and it's hysterical.

Wait...it was a student that complained? I guarantee that kid is surrounded by F-bombs, graphic sexual talk, drug references, etc all day.

Schools tend to have more disturbing/inappropriate content in its literature for English class. Especially in some of the movies based on the books which also happen to be shown in school. The kid who complained might have a hard time when he or she has to deal with high school English classes. Personally I don't approve that schools should be showing any mature content at all (except for gore and violence). Although things would be different if the student tried getting SAO banned for its bad story.

ParaChomp wrote:

Paiprince wrote:

No, what needs to be trashed are people like you who think they're doing the world a favor because a series they don't like is popular.

Yeah, I'm pretty sure it was a punk kid trying to start shit because SAO hate is kewl. I mean, he pretty much accomplished his mission by having this clickbait article written.

The reason it was banned from the school seems more like a need for censorship than hate.

Anyways, that's not my point. Many people despise Sword Art Online and have strong analysis to back it up. Those people are also against censorship and have strong analysis to back it up. My point is that those people need to keep Sword Art Online around to be against censorship and it's hysterical.

Analysis =/= Facts. They don't equal one and the same.

Exalted Incarnate wrote:

Schools tend to have more disturbing/inappropriate content in its literature for English class. Especially in some of the movies based on the books which also happen to be shown in school. The kid who complained might have a hard time when he or she has to deal with high school English classes. Personally, I don't approve that schools should be showing any mature content at all (except for gore and violence). Although things would be different if the student tried getting SAO banned for its bad story.

I was waiting for someone to say this in order to jump on board. Irony aside, I agree with you completely. I am baffled that a Sword Art Online novel exists in a middle school. High school, I can understand and give some leeway but not middle school. The staff should learn what they're selling.

Huckleberry Finn
To Kill A Mockingbird
Sword Art Online

We need to defend classic literature in schools from these senseless bannings for our children's education's sake Wink

Exalted Incarnate wrote:

Personally I don't approve that schools should be showing any mature content at all (except for gore and violence).

This is a position I will never understand: violence and gore is fine, any hint of sex is not.

Sakagami Tomoyo wrote:

This is a position I will never understand: violence and gore is fine, any hint of sex is not.

Because sex create more human, while violence and gore may encourage they kill each other Twisted Evil

"OH NOES, SHE'S IN HER UNDERWEARS SHIELD THE CHILDREN'S EYES!!"

Rolling Eyes

Middle schoolers......I'm pretty sure they can handle it. We let them watch PG-13 movies without Mommy around, don't we?

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I was waiting for someone to say this in order to jump on board. Irony aside, I agree with you completely. I am baffled that a Sword Art Online novel exists in a middle school. High school, I can understand and give some leeway but not middle school. The staff should learn what they're selling.

No, I own this novel and there's nothing in it outrageously inappropriate for a 13-year-old. Trust me.

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Many people despise Sword Art Online and have strong analysis to back it up

AHAHAHAHAH!
No, they don't. They don't even read the source material, most of the time.
Rolling Eyes

At least it didn't have Chapter 16.5.

Sakagami Tomoyo wrote:

Exalted Incarnate wrote:

Personally I don't approve that schools should be showing any mature content at all (except for gore and violence).

This is a position I will never understand: violence and gore is fine, any hint of sex is not.

Well it is a difficult place to stand in as many people tend to lump the two together. However they tend to be very different for instance violence and gore in movies tend to be fake for the most part, while sexual content tends to well not exactly fake. But overall I'm ok with violence because it has been a part of human history for ages and is glorified with instances of heroism and honor. While the act of takeing someone's life can be veiwed in some cases immoral.(like murder,assassination,torture, ect.) viewing sexual content can always be considered indecent or inappropriate. Haveing a diffence in opinion is alright but I can't understand those that think the opposite. Overall kids are well aware of the presence of violence in the world as it is present in video games, movies, and even history books.

Exalted Incarnate wrote:

However they tend to be very different for instance violence and gore in movies tend to be fake for the most part, while sexual content tends to well not exactly fake.

Violence and gore, yeah, generally going to be faked in one way or another. Sexual content? Yeah, that's going to be faked too for anything beyond kissing and groping, and sometimes even that. Besides that, there's to what sort of degree you're depicting it. Is a brief scene of a couple in bed passionately kissing, groping each other and implied to be nude more problematic to you than someone being dismembered by a chainsaw in as graphic detail as the special effects department can manage? This is the kind of point I'm trying to make here; if you think a tame scene with implied sex is more problematic than a gory murder, there's something wrong.

Exalted Incarnate wrote:

But overall I'm ok with violence because it has been a part of human history for ages and is glorified with instances of heroism and honor.

Yet sex has been a part of human history for at least as long, and has more to do with the survival of our species than violence does. Sex is a beautiful thing, the ultimate expression of love between people; violence is ugly and destructive, however much it's been glorified over the years.

Exalted Incarnate wrote:

While the act of takeing someone's life can be veiwed in some cases immoral.(like murder,assassination,torture, ect.) viewing sexual content can always be considered indecent or inappropriate.

See, this is the bit I don't get: why do you think sexual content is always indecent and inappropriate? Sex itself is perfectly fine to engage in, in a great variety of different ways - provided everyone involved is a consenting adult, of course. Violence generally isn't okay to engage in. So why is it considered so bad to watch something you can do, and just fine to watch something you shouldn't do? I mean, I'm not advocating screening hardcore pornography in schools or anything, but surely trying to pretend to kids that it doesn't exist, or telling them (explicitly or implicitly) that it's shameful and wrong at the least isn't helping anyone and at worst leads to them growing into adults who don't have a frigging clue about it, which is problematic in a lot of ways.

Exalted Incarnate wrote:

Overall kids are well aware of the presence of violence in the world as it is present in video games, movies, and even history books.

And they should not be kept unaware of sex.

Haha and I know exactly what page this student is talking about.

Well, it's one of two pages depicting the same scene... but based on the complaint, I'm assuming it's the first page.

For those that are curious, each SAO light novel has a handful of color-illustrations depicting scenes from the book as the first few pages before the first chapter starts.

The last illustration in volume one (which is alternately illustrated on page 169) is the scene where Kirito asks to stay the night at Asuna's place (in-game, mind you), but Asuna gets the wrong idea and strips down to her underwear... only soon after realizing the misunderstanding and beating Kirito in her embarrassment.

So, no, for the record, she isn't "...wearing underwear and sharing a bed with a male character." It's out of context.

This is probably the image in question: http://pic1.win4000.com/wallpaper/3/541baa46b2cfd.jpg
Though there is an alternate illustration on page 169 depicting the same scene: https://www.baka-tsuki.org/project/images/thumb/6/6c/Sword_Art_Online_Vol_01_-_242.jpg/180px-Sword_Art_Online_Vol_01_-_242.jpg

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