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INTEREST: This Summer's New Swimming Anime Will Get Female Fans Thirsty


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Chiibi



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PostPosted: Wed Apr 26, 2017 10:25 pm Reply with quote
Damn!! These guys just aren't attractive to me. Sad Whatta waste....

Gilgamesh lounging around naked or in low-cut shirts during F/Z, now that was hot. Cool

Can't they make these boys look more like him? Crying or Very sad
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CatSword



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PostPosted: Wed Apr 26, 2017 10:41 pm Reply with quote
Thirsty? Well, I hope they're not drinking the pool water. Laughing
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Ashen Phoenix



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PostPosted: Wed Apr 26, 2017 11:05 pm Reply with quote
Fingers crossed this turns out to have a solid story and the characters' personalities are a center piece and not an afterthought or confined to tired tropes. Right now their designs alone aren't doing it for me,
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Lord Oink



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PostPosted: Wed Apr 26, 2017 11:24 pm Reply with quote
fencer_x wrote:
Not liking how this article seems to distill its popularity down to titillation, otherwise BL would be way more popular than it is.


Been a pretty popular article style for the last couple of years on various sites. Kotaku thought it was newsworthy to say a male character in Pokemon getting like 6 pieces of fanart was newsworthy, but the thousands of pieces and doujins of a female character wasn't worth making an article about or mentionable. Maybe female writers on news sites are just more open about what they get off too.. while male writers have to pretend they don't sexualize females at the risk of getting backlash. Besides, its not like people dont try to say a anime only did well because of male oriented fanservice despite plenty of fanservice shows like Keijo bombing
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SilverTalon01



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PostPosted: Wed Apr 26, 2017 11:40 pm Reply with quote
fencer_x wrote:
Holy wrong approach to understanding the popularity of Free! Batman :/

Free! had gorgeous animation. That the guys were part of that animation was a bonus. Free! also had a compelling storyline about finding out who you want to grow into and the impact of trauma.

Not liking how this article seems to distill its popularity down to titillation, otherwise BL would be way more popular than it is. Series with outright sex don't get 1% of the doujinshi that series like Yuri!!! on Ice with an emotional core bring (with Victor and Yuuri now being THE most popular pairing, heterosexual or homosexual, in Japan right now).


Just because the series is well done like Free or Yuri doesn't mean it doesn't come down to titillation. It totally does. It is the same as with T&A series though in that some of them are good and some of them aren't. Some of them have gorgeous animation, and some of them are visual trash. You may not be able to guarantee a series with super hot characters of either gender will be a hit just because the character designs look good, but you can almost guarantee one of those types of series is going to bomb if they don't.

I'd also like to see a source for that last claim.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 26, 2017 11:41 pm Reply with quote
Megiddo wrote:
Wouldn't 'wet' have been a more appropriate euphemism? I get that thirst relates to sexual appetite but it doesn't make nearly as much sense as 'wet' for a swimming/diving anime if sexual arousal was the main description goal.


I don't know about you, but from a woman's perspective being told that something is going to get me "wet" isn't tongue-in-cheek funny the way "thirsty" is, it's just porno-gross sounding. While it might be a more perfect euphemism, it'd probably squick most of our female readers out. (I put a lot of thought into my stupid puns).

Lord Oink wrote:
fencer_x wrote:
Not liking how this article seems to distill its popularity down to titillation, otherwise BL would be way more popular than it is.


Been a pretty popular article style for the last couple of years on various sites. Kotaku thought it was newsworthy to say a male character in Pokemon getting like 6 pieces of fanart was newsworthy, but the thousands of pieces and doujins of a female character wasn't worth making an article about or mentionable. Maybe female writers on news sites are just more open about what they get off too.. while male writers have to pretend they don't sexualize females at the risk of getting backlash. Besides, its not like people dont try to say a anime only did well because of male oriented fanservice despite plenty of fanservice shows like Keijo bombing


I wrote that up too (about the Pokemon character) but I'll add that I've also wrote about guys getting horny about a female teacher character from kids' English guidebook (use the ANN search for "Ellen"). I probably do have more freedom to write about either topic for the reasons you mentioned, although staff writer Eric Stimson has gotten stuck with writing up some weird sexual-related articles (see our latest about the man transformed into a woman to breastfeed an alien baby, for instance). I hope no one is judging Eric, since his writing assignments are 100% my fault.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 27, 2017 12:06 am Reply with quote
The more important part is whether the source tells a compelling enough story that can coexist with the anime fanservice, much like Free! and its coming of age themes, ans whether the anime staff can properly adapt the story for the screen.

The source novels only span 4 volumes, so this series could be easily adapted in 1 cour.

There was a manga version lasting 5 volumes back in 2007-2008, and a live action movie in 2008. Here's the trailer for those interested:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nvWeKIGlIMA

I'd always equated Suzuhito Yasuda's art more with sexy/cute girls like Danmachi's Hestia, but I'm all for him expanding his repertoire to cover characters outside his comfort zone.
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manapear



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PostPosted: Thu Apr 27, 2017 1:02 am Reply with quote
#861208 wrote:
It's not the muscles that are the problem, it's how they're drawn. They just... don't look nice.

I have the same problem with Free! and YOI, too, actually. They just don't look sensual.
Kamigami no Asobi and Touken Ranbu look more like what I like. Also, in mecha shows when they wear tight pilot suits (e.g. Suzaku Kururugi).

.... and some of the art from Joker Game has those guys in speedos with bulges.

(And if you want hot guys who look ~20+ and not like kids, check the senior group from Tsukiuta)

Agreed. I like attractive muscles. This. . . is not that. For me, anyway. (Yes on guys in those tight pilot suits though! ♥)
(Also making a note to check out Tsukiuta.)


fencer_x wrote:
Holy wrong approach to understanding the popularity of Free! Batman :/

Free! had gorgeous animation. That the guys were part of that animation was a bonus. Free! also had a compelling storyline about finding out who you want to grow into and the impact of trauma.

Not liking how this article seems to distill its popularity down to titillation, otherwise BL would be way more popular than it is. Series with outright sex don't get 1% of the doujinshi that series like Yuri!!! on Ice with an emotional core bring (with Victor and Yuuri now being THE most popular pairing, heterosexual or homosexual, in Japan right now).


I understand why someone made the point about YOI and Free! selling a lot on titillation, but I agree with you. For a lot of fandom, I think it is the balance of the titillation and emotional aspect. Especially since they try and sell merch that plays on the attachment grown to the characters as much as they do the sexualized merch.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 27, 2017 1:09 am Reply with quote
#861208 wrote:
It's not the muscles that are the problem, it's how they're drawn. They just... don't look nice.
I have the same problem with Free! and YOI, too, actually. They just don't look sensual.
Kamigami no Asobi and Touken Ranbu look more like what I like. Also, in mecha shows when they wear tight pilot suits (e.g. Suzaku Kururugi).


Do you mean by how their faces are drawn?
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Vent



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PostPosted: Thu Apr 27, 2017 2:32 am Reply with quote
Those are some intensely off-putting faces, especially the short one.

I mean, if you want to make Free comparisons, Free's characters were actually attractive. I'm not sure how well this is going to do when your dudes are actually not great to look at but, hey, fumbling the ball is basically the Noitamina way!
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Lemonchest



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PostPosted: Thu Apr 27, 2017 2:58 am Reply with quote
I see they're going for the hench children look, which given the olympics connection is probably the right way to go, even if it ain't so much my thing aesthetically. More concerning is the director being involved with Battery, which took the simplist setup possible for a bromance anime & turned it into a repetative, angsty bore. Makes me wonder if there's going to be a lot of manpurses at dawn & relatively little diving.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 27, 2017 3:21 am Reply with quote
I was a big fan of Free and I loved that series a lot but this feels like a deliberate cash in to me. Maybe it would be better in a PV but the art design looks like it's lesser quality to me than what we had with Free. I also appreciated Free dealt with older characters. These guys are too shota for me. This just feels uninspired and it's not offering anything new.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 27, 2017 4:04 am Reply with quote
CatSword wrote:
Thirsty? Well, I hope they're not drinking the pool water.

You know how jerseys, balls and other such paraphernalia are sold to sports fans to commemorate past glories?
I may have just had an idea: commemorative diving pool water samples! Use decorative urns to apportion the residual fluids following a major event, and provide each one with a certificate of authenticity. The chlorine, I estimate, would ensure a reasonable degree of longevity.


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Cam0



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PostPosted: Thu Apr 27, 2017 4:05 am Reply with quote
Same as Free, these dudes don't have nipples. What's up with that?
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SHD



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PostPosted: Thu Apr 27, 2017 4:38 am Reply with quote
Stuart Smith wrote:
Anime and manga have never been a "boys club". Series for females have existed since the 1960, one of which still airs to this day and is Japan's #1 anime. That also says nothing abouts sports series that have attracted females viewers which have been around since at least Captain Tsubasa back in 1981, which is also nothing new. It sounds like you are judging an entire medium based on one show you saw.

Nope. Go back and read what I actually wrote. Yes, there were "series for females" (women - they're called women) and some of them are good, a few actually great. But they were specific kinds of stories designed specifically for young girls/younger teenagers, with the occasional exception proving the rule. Most of the stories I found actually interesting, the ones I wanted to watch - the action shows, sci-fi shows, etc? Boys club, shows made with the assumption that they will be watched by a male audience. You clearly don't know what it is like to watch Cowboy Bebop (to use an example most everyone is familiar with) and be all "yes, I understand what you're doing with Faye but how about you tone it down a little bit? and does Julia have to wear a sexy catsuit?" Or even shows like GITS:SAC, one of my favorite anime ever - and yet I spent a considerable amount of the first season thinking "the Major is awesome but how about you give her some pants for chrissakes, it's difficult to take her seriously like this." And so on and so forth. All women must be beautiful/sexy, but the male characters? let them be vaguely decent looking (so it doesn't intimidate viewers), but otherwise meh, who cares.

Today's shows (at least the ones not squarely targeting specific otaku demographics) make sure to think of the potential female audience, including service targeted at them as well as male viewers. Now you have hot guys in the cast, not just hot chicks, care is taken to get popular male seiyuu for the important roles to croon into viewers' ears, to add Passionate Male Friendships(TM) for the segment that appreciates this, etc. It's a far cry from sweating blood to draw prettier versions of the characters from Captain Tsubasa, and digging deep to find subtext for your BL doujinshi.

On the other hand...

fencer_x wrote:
Free! had gorgeous animation. That the guys were part of that animation was a bonus.

Riiiight. It wouldn't have had the female viewership it did if all it had was gorgeous animation. Had it featured gorgeously animated female main characters it still might have gotten very popular, but with a different crowd.

Let's not pretend that Free, and YoI too for that matter, were not trying really hard to sell the hot guys and the subtext. YoI made the subtext text (although notably they still chickened out in key moments) but again if it was a show about all female characters it wouldn't have gotten the female following it had. Titillation is very much part of the package - I mean seriously, what do you even make of scenes with Viktor running around naked and glomping Yuuri and whatnot?

Actual BL series don't get the type of fannish following of non-BL but heavily subtexty shows because being actual BL there's just less of a room to play, less opportunities for exploring and interpreting. That's all.


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