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DuelLadyS



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PostPosted: Thu Jul 02, 2009 9:02 am Reply with quote
Earth_Wyrm wrote:
Teriyaki Terrier wrote:
Indeed. To find a woman who is actually into anime and isn't crazy, psycologically strange or creepy in any way is much harder than it seems.

I'm goin' to start takin' bets on whether people are goin' to find this statement offensive or not. In particular, all the seemingly well-adjusted females which frequent these forums.
Who's for 'Aye'? Odds are good!


I'm more annoyed that the word 'hot' keeps coming up as a condition too- we aren't insane, we like what you like, but you expect us to be supermodels too? Yeesh. I bet you aren't Brad Pitt yourselves, y'know.
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Ai no Kareshi



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PostPosted: Thu Jul 02, 2009 9:06 am Reply with quote
DuelLadyS wrote:
I'm more annoyed that the word 'hot' keeps coming up as a condition too- we aren't insane, we like what you like, but you expect us to be supermodels too? Yeesh. I bet you aren't Brad Pitt yourselves, y'know.

For what it's worth, I don't care if a girl is hot or not, as long as I like her personality. Not that I expect anyone here to care about my dating preferences. I just thought I'd try to balance things out a bit.
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errantrogue



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PostPosted: Thu Jul 02, 2009 10:11 am Reply with quote
tanuki-sensei wrote:

I would have dated her if not for the fact that she was 17 at the time and I was 19. I wanted to wait a year...


Bullshit... you were just a coward who couldn't deal. 19/17 is NOTHING. But, oh well... missed your shot. Too bad.
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dtm42



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PostPosted: Thu Jul 02, 2009 10:51 am Reply with quote
errantrogue wrote:
Bullshit... you were just a coward who couldn't deal.


More like someone who wanted to stay out of prison. Or perhaps they wanted to wait until the girl was old enough to ensure that she would be able to have a mature relationship. Sure doesn't sound like cowardice to me.
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Tamaria



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PostPosted: Thu Jul 02, 2009 11:02 am Reply with quote
Dating doesn't equal having sex, atleast not for most people. If you're serious about your relationship, you can wait a few months. And if you can't wait, well, just do it safe and make sure nobody finds out. 17/19 really isn't a big difference.
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mad_yeti



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PostPosted: Thu Jul 02, 2009 11:03 am Reply with quote
I wanna call bull. As a single, female anime fan who cosplays - and is named Maegen - we are not all batsh*t crazy or half mutant. This whole comic cracked me up though. Fushigi Yugi was my first favorite show.
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Quark



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PostPosted: Thu Jul 02, 2009 11:03 am Reply with quote
DuelLadyS wrote:

I'm more annoyed that the word 'hot' keeps coming up as a condition too- we aren't insane, we like what you like, but you expect us to be supermodels too? Yeesh. I bet you aren't Brad Pitt yourselves, y'know.


This...is so true. I mean, go check out 4chan, to see just how extreme these guys are. If a girl has a couple extra lbs, or a oddly shaped nose, or some other minor flaw, they are so quick to call her ugly, and then say that they wouldn't touch her with a ten foot pole. Meanwhile you just know that some of these guys have probably never touched a girl, hot or otherwise.
But it's not only them though. I've seen the media use the term 'ugly' to describe perfectly normal looking girls. They're just not super model hot. It's an awesome way to make a perfectly normal looking girl feel absolutely disgusting about herself.
Thank God for Gok Wan - if anyone is going to fix women's self esteem issues and stop their self loathing, it'll be that guy.
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mlund



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PostPosted: Thu Jul 02, 2009 2:08 pm Reply with quote
tanuki-sensei wrote:
Sadly, most americans who need to be institutionalized are not because it costs money. The vast majority of our mental health system has been privatized allowing these people to roam the streets freely.


Actually, most people who need to be institutionalized aren't institutionalized because of the legal implications. The amount of money tied up in legal fees and potential liabilities for institutionalizing a non-consenting individual who is not found guilty of a violent felony in this modern legal environment is huge.

On the flip side, the history of government-run asylums and the like is pretty horrific. The idea that the State has a prohibitively hard time locking non-violent people up for being judged "mentally ill or deficient," doesn't bother me nearly as much as the idea of the State having an overly easy time doing so. That doesn't ever end well.

More to the darkly humorous narrative at hand, Meagan is not a harmlessly quirky fan-girl. She stabbed herself in the chest to get attention / feed her delusion. She's got such serious issues she mimicked a potentially suicidal act she saw on a show. This is the kind of person that people use as an excuse as to why everyone suddenly can't have nice things like cable television and video games.

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Richard J.



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PostPosted: Thu Jul 02, 2009 5:11 pm Reply with quote
tanuki-sensei wrote:
Sadly, most americans who need to be institutionalized are not because it costs money. The vast majority of our mental health system has been privatized allowing these people to roam the streets freely. I'd rant on but it would end up going WAY off topic.
Yes, it's all evil privatization's fault and has nothing to do with the movements in the 1960s-1970s where deinstitutionalization became the norm. Rolling Eyes

To elaborate a bit on mlund's comments: Academics like Laining, Szasz and Scheff attacked the institutions of the day and influenced popular perceptions of the system. State and federal courts responded to public pressures and a host of nasty stories about abuses by ruling that the mentally ill had a legal right to refuse treatment and could be involuntarily committed only if they posed a clear and present danger to themselves and others. Mass discharges resulted and many people who clearly could benefit from care were released. (Lets not forget that state asylums were at one point quite horrible. Abuse and neglect were rampant in some facilities.)

There is a lot of legal red tape to go through now even to prove that someone is a "clear and present danger" to themselves and others. If a real girl like Miaka tried to kill herself but if after an observation period she displayed no suicidal tendencies, they'd have to release her unless the courts said otherwise and they rarely do. Even in cases where they should keep the person in they usually don't.

The problem isn't privatization of the system, the problem is the government run system back then was A) using horrible medical practices that are now largely considered barbaric, B) using definitions of illness that were not even really illnesses (like women getting shock treatment for being disobedient) and C) an over-enthusiastic embracing of drug therapy as a cure-all combined with deinstitutionalization by the public. The state facilities were needed but people got such a negative idea of them that they forced them to be gutted and ended in favor of magic pills that turned out to lack effectiveness when no one was around to make people to take them.

dtm42 wrote:
More like someone who wanted to stay out of prison. Or perhaps they wanted to wait until the girl was old enough to ensure that she would be able to have a mature relationship. Sure doesn't sound like cowardice to me.
Not sure about other states but at least in Georgia that wouldn't be the case.
The Law wrote:
§ 16-6-3. Statutory rape

(a) A person commits the offense of statutory rape when he or she engages in sexual intercourse with any person under the age of 16 years and not his or her spouse, provided that no conviction shall be had for this offense on the unsupported testimony of the victim.
I'm just quoting the relevant portion with the ages. 17/19 relationship is okay here.
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mlund



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PostPosted: Thu Jul 02, 2009 5:37 pm Reply with quote
Richard J. wrote:
Not sure about other states but at least in Georgia that wouldn't be the case.


It is a state-by-state thing when it comes to sex.

Age of consent stuff

In CA, for example, it is strictly 18/18, no exceptions. Anything else is rape.

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Teriyaki Terrier
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 02, 2009 8:32 pm Reply with quote
dtm42 wrote:
errantrogue wrote:
Bullshit... you were just a coward who couldn't deal.


More like someone who wanted to stay out of prison. Or perhaps they wanted to wait until the girl was old enough to ensure that she would be able to have a mature relationship. Sure doesn't sound like cowardice to me.


Agreed. If for whatever reason the girlfriend feels unsatified with the relationship, all she needs to do is tell her parents/police that her boyfriend is abusing her and that he is a adult and she is a minor and the guy will most likely sent to jail.

Or like Dtm42 previously stated, he might just wanted to wait until the girl was old enough so that the possibility of having a mature relationship is much better. In cases such as these, its typically best to wait or start out as friends first.
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Tamaria



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PostPosted: Fri Jul 03, 2009 1:01 am Reply with quote
I thought only having sex before both parties are of age of consent was illegal, not having a relationship. I mean, could they arrest him for going to the movies with her or something? Even if she did something as nasty as claim she was abused there would be no evidence to support her claim.
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Caramel Kisses



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PostPosted: Fri Jul 03, 2009 1:09 am Reply with quote
tanuki-sensei wrote:
I would rather date a girl who was okay with my fandom but had her own interests. Sort of like this one couple from some random anime in which the husband was a mecha otaku and had a hot wife who was not into that but okay with his extreme hobby. This guy was a little nuts about it, if I remember correctly he was watching Gundam while his wife was in the hospital. I would like to say that it was from Jigoku Shoujo but I don't think that's right.


That sounds vaguely familiar, nyu...

Anywho~
My boyfriend tends to gravitate toward mecha-, martial art-, or demon-themed shonen anime and manga,
whereas I'm pretty much purely shojo-interested now.

On rare occasion I'll terrorize him by placing a few nendoroids or Hello Kitty figures among his many Transformers...
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OneHotAlchemist



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PostPosted: Sat Jul 04, 2009 8:55 am Reply with quote
DuelLadyS wrote:
I'm more annoyed that the word 'hot' keeps coming up as a condition too- we aren't insane, we like what you like, but you expect us to be supermodels too? Yeesh. I bet you aren't Brad Pitt yourselves, y'know.


Well, both genders are quite guilty of this. Many of my friends have asked a female otaku/anime fan out, only to get shot down because, they weren't waife thin pretty boys, or lacked rippling sixpacks and lithe muscular bodies.

Heck, I had one 4'11 girl just tell me I was "too short and too muscular" for her, even though her and I got along perfectly.

Men want beautiful women. Women want handsome men. Its not a single-sided argument. In many ways, its downplayed for women. Just look at the whole "body image in videogames" hullabaloo thing that's been going on for years.

Its not ok for women to be portrayed in videogames with big breasts, little clothing, and impossibly amazing figures, but its perfectly fine for men to have huge rippling chests, be shirtless, on average be 6-foot or taller, tree trunks for arms, and other nigh-impossibly features. What about a boy's self body image?
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 04, 2009 2:35 pm Reply with quote
mpietran wrote:
After all, if we were psychologically the same as the mainstream population, instead we'd be over on the Fox Sports forum calling each other names because "my" team beat "your" team last night.

Only half, some of us would be pointing out how your team cheated and the ump was clearly on the payroll.

Though golly, when did the grand gesture get such a bad rap? Is this really any worse than Ace Pilot X going out and flying against orders & overwhelming odds to protect those s/he cares for? Or back in the context of the story, Nina and Paola dropping what was likely a sizable sum of money on the figurine to rescue Kevin, which may result in weeks of ramen morning/noon/night? I am not saying what she did was necessarily the brightest thing in the world, but lets remember to only call her crazy for being crazy.
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