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Spawn29, if all you're looking at are the most popular shows then yes, a goodly number of them are still shonen. That's because such shows are designed specifically for broad appeal rather than interest groups. Hence shonen will always be a prominent presence.
I will strongly disagree, though, that anime offerings in general over the past decade have been dominated by shonen. Each season the bulk of new offerings are not-shonen and you're entirely ignoring the rise of fujoshi-oriented and idol titles, few or none of which are shonen. |
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Blood-
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Just looking at the number of OVAs produced in a given year relative to the number of TV shows produced is not a very good metric for measuring "popularity." What would be more relevant would be to look at, say, video rentals and see whether TV volumes were being rented more than OVAs or vice-versa. In ay case, it doesn't really matter. A simple cataloguing of TV titles produced since, say, 2000 would easily show that there are more non-shonen titles than shonen. This is indisputable. Collectively, they are not as profitable or popular as shonen (generally), but there are definitely more of them. |
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Alan45
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@Spawn29 wrote:
US companies largely brought over OVAs mostly because they were short and therefore cheap to license and localize. I don't think they cared much about how popular a show was in Japan except as it effected the license price. I can remember a columnist in Animerica Magazine who viewed with alarm the fact that most of the better OVAs had been licensed. They opined that most people in US fandom would not sustain interest in a TV series long enough to buy the whole thing. In the short term they were wrong. Many 26 episode series involved as many as 8 single disks. In the long run I suspect this was probably part of the demise of the singles market. |
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louis6578
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Not sure what the general consensus of this is, since I've never seen this show talked about, but M.A.R. has better fillers than actual canonical content.
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Spawn29
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I feel like CG in anime gets too much hate. Sure some of it looks low budget that you would see in a Syfy movie. However I seen great looking CG in anime and I feel like CG in Japan has improve. Besides, why is it okay for America to use CG for their cartoons, but not Japan? It's not like America has great looking CG for their movies and TV shows neither.
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Chiibi
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Unless it sticks out like a sore thumb against the 2D animation; I mean REALLY badly, I don't have a problem with it; honestly. And if it DOES stick out; I can put up with it if the other stuff in the anime are good, like the characters or the writing. Bad CGI has never made me drop a series.....save one exception (there was nothing else good about it lol) Though I can find shows that are ALL CGI to be a turn-off...if it's done badly. If it's done well.....that means it's hard to tell that it's CGI. 
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Spawn29
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I feel like Japanese CG animated shows for the most part look better than the CG American TV shows. Like the new Inspector Gadget CG show looks like dogshit and looks like a game for the original Xbox. At least Knights of Sidonia looks nicely done in my opinion
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louis6578
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The Berserk Golden Age Trilogy Movies had great CG, at least the latter two did. The first one still had far better CG than Berserk 2016/2017 does.
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Spawn29
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I can't get into HxH and I got up to Episode 15 of the newer anime series. The series comes off as another typical Shonen series to me and nothing special. From the creator of YYH, I was hoping for way more. With YYH, I was hook into the series by Episode 1.
I know people will be like "Wait until Episode 30" and I feel like it should not take that long for a show to get good. Otherwise people will turn it off and watch something else. |
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louis6578
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I know CG gets a lot of hate, but I don't particularly mind it as long as it's not terrible. By terrible, I mean Berserk 2016. Some people say "I'm fine as long as I don't notice it," but it's VERY obvious that the Berserker in Fate/Zero is mostly CG at first. That is not an issue, and I feel it was intentional to show that he has that otherwordly aura that prevents masters from reading his stats. I watched it with horrible, idiotic friends who decided to nitpick everything, and they were basically saying "UGH! DAT CG IS KILLING ME" every two seconds.
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Jose Cruz
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A very large fraction of titles made today are not shounen. In fact I believe we now have hit the peak number of actual adult anime made: stuff like Space Brothers, Hyouge Mono, Kobayashi's Dragon Maid was very rare 20 years ago. Anyway, when talking about anime in general one should talk first about manga. Anime is historically mostly manga adaptions that copy almost exactly the art, writting and even the camera angles in the manga panels (I read One Punch Man and watched it, the show is basically the manga with animated and colored panels and voice acting). So essentially, what we call "anime" is just manga adapted for TV, which is the way westerners consume manga. In Japan, historically, manga was way more popular by the way than it's derivative TV shows. In terms of manga, sales distribution between shounen, seinen, shoujo and josei in 1996 was roughly the following: 40.6% shounen 35.5% seinen (which stands as a generic term for "adult' manga actually and not aimed at men as it is conventionally assumed) 8.7% shoujo 6.5% josei 8.7% porn & alternative source: Adult Manga: Culture and Power in Contemporary Japanese Society (2000) Today I believe the relative distribution of sales is similar. Perhaps seinen and josei gained ground while shounen and shoujo declined as Japan's population is aging. That was when manga sales peaked in absolute numbers. Today thanks to the aging population and the smarthphone (which is a substitute for the manga as an entertainment medium) Japan's manga culture is declining. However, what is still expanding is it's otaku culture, that evolved (mainly) from it. What happened from 1996 to the present is that today it is much more likely for seinen titles to be adapted from manga (or anime that's adapted into seinen manga to be made). So today the anime medium is much more diverse than it was in the 1990's, when very few truly adult titles existed even though adult manga was already very popular. Today we live in a golden age of anime, counting the numbers from MAL we have today about 800 cours or anime shows + OVAs + movies made per year while in the 1990's we had about 250 cours of anime shows + OVAs + movies made per year. And today about 80% of all shows are made for late night exhibition. Which doesn't mean they are adult though as actually half of late night shows made today are shounen/shoujo, but overall the shows made today are more mature than the ones made 20 years ago on average. That's why in Shirobako the animation studio depicted worked on children's anime back in the 1990's and now worked on anime made for adult otaku fans (a seinen magical girl show and a military moe show), is a reflection of the changing reality of the industry.
I should point out that just because a manga is classified as "shounen" its readers might not be kids (One Piece is a shounen and 90% of it's readers are adults). Now, moe girls I think are a cool artistic development. No other medium for fiction besides manga/anime has developed the genre of CGDCT narrative. I have no complains. About the low average quality? Well, in any medium 95% of everything is garbage, manga/anime is no exception to this universal rule. That's why I don't watch stuff randmonly (or read manga randmonly). |
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niji9t
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Just randomly barging in and I know I'll get a lot of hate for this but I freaking hate the attention Yuri on Ice gets. The setting is fantastic, I'll give you that, but the rest of the show was absolutely nothing special and had annoying main characters to boot. The use of fanservice in this one was just too much.
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louis6578
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Personally, I don't care one way or another. The Crunchyroll anime awards are garbage and most everyone knows it. No point complaining about it now. Though before I complain that something is overhyped, I always wonder if something I love can be considered overhyped and terrible to someone else (JoJo's Bizarre Adventure, One Piece, Fullmetal Alchemist, Your Name, etc.).
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Spawn29
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I know that this is a old post, but Dragon Maid feels like a typical kid friendly moe series similar to K-On going from what I've watch of it. Hyouge Mono and Space Brothers are good series for grown ups and they would not be that rare like 20-30 years ago. We did had titles like Ghost in the Shell, Royal Space Force: The Wings of Honnêamise, Gunsmith Cats, Crying Freeman, Armored Trooper Votoms, Serial Experiments Lain, Yawara! and many others in the 80's & 90's. I do remember how I was surprise that something like Psycho Pass did very well in today's fandom given how most modern anime and manga fans seem to be mostly into Shonen from what I've seen. I remember in 2006 when hardly anyone talk about Kemonozume and everyone was into Death Note, Bleach, Naruto, Haruhi Suzumiya, One Piece and Ouran High School Host Club that year. |
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louis6578
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Captain Tylor should be allowed to rest in peace. Sadly, he has been revived with unholy, black magic. His spirit is being corrupted and displayed in the form of Banjo Ueki Tylor.
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