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Chagen46
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....What. You just stated that you should be payed to buy a piece of entertainment. |
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Charred Knight
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If it's Samurai X: Reflections I should be payed. Rurouni Kenshin is the greatest SJ manga and yet because they refuse to get a new Director the anime are always terrible unless they follow the manga panel by panel. |
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One-Eye
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See, I just gotta say something to this stuff. As so many people who defend Aniplex's pricing model say “it's a business”. They are not bringing stuff over out of the goodness of their hearts. They are not a charity. They are not selling stuff because you are thankful or appreciative. Its because they think they can make a profit. Whether you are thankful or not has no bearing on whether you are going to get an R1 release. So, there is no need to bend a knee and offer a prayer of thanks. If you find their prices acceptable then buy. If you don't find them acceptable you have the right to express your dissatisfaction. If they don't alter their pricing strategy in response to your dissatisfaction then don't buy and take your money elsewhere. I personally have bought Aniplex titles in the past and I've also skipped over ones that I didn't think fit my price range. I look forward to Garden of Sinners on DVD and if I find it to be reasonable I will buy. If I think its unreasonable I will voice my discontent and take my money elsewhere. |
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ConanSan
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Agreed. If I had a pound for every time someone told me to be grateful for a crappy situation, I'd have enough money to actauly buy Aniplex's trumped up releases.
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lem
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I'm not against complaining. It's perfectly okay to complain. That's one of the ways things get resolved and improved upon. It's when one complains and doesn't bring anything else to the table that it comes across as just so much goddamned whining. And that's okay. For little kids. They don't know better. Now from what I've read of your previous posts you seem very intelligent and express yourself very well. I respect and appreciate that. As for your view of Aniplex though, well, to be frank, I got it the first time. Now it just plays like the petulant reaction of someone that isn't getting what they want. And then you carry on with
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bahamutzero89
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I'm glad you guys only get the inferior DVDs of KnK and not the BDs which I once bought for 700$.^^
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Chagen46
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Was there really a need to brag and get all holier-than-thou? |
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bahamutzero89
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Of course, because I'm sick of hearing people say they won't buy things they want if the price is too high. If they are concerned about such trivial facts then they didn't really wanted it to begin with. |
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Charred Knight
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There's a difference between wanting something and being able to afford something. I don't have the money to set aside a massive budget for anime. If I can't get anime for a low price I can't get anime at all. Not everyone can afford something they want. |
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One-Eye
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YES! YES! LET ALL THE PEASANTS EAT CAKE!! 
Well, excuse us for not committing economic seppuku with you. |
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lem
Posts: 734 Location: Land of trying to figure sht out |
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When I post here and tell you that I'm thankful and I appreciate the work of the people that I buy from, that's what I mean. If you're going to quote someone you shouldn't take them out of context just so you can promote your view(s). My agreeing with takacsh and blazevincent has NOTHING to do with Aniplex's pricing model. But it does have everything to do with the current mindset of fandom that posts here. Of course everyone can "express their dissatisfaction, simply don't buy, and take their money elsewhere", but honestly, if the entire sum of their dissatisfaction is expressed in the most childish simple minded terms of "no dub = no sale, f* U aniPlex, etc., etc., ad nauseum, I just have to wonder what exactly is the point of their continuing to be allowed and viewable? |
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ikillchicken
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Well call me crazy but I still believe that a business should treat its customers right. I don't understand this bizarre fetishization of business where making the absolute maximum amount of money becomes the be all end all directive. Even if you don't accept that though, there are pragmatic reasons to keep your customers happy. I mean, yeah, if you want to be a hard ass about it, you're right. Aniplex absolutely doesn't have to give me anything. That cuts both ways though. I don't have to buy any of their releases. Obviously though the whole idea of business is to make that happen. I want to buy their shows and they want me to buy them. That's where this very adversarial attitude of "they don't have to" breaks down to me.
This is a straw man argument. I don't want it on the same day. I'd be fine if this went through the same delayed licensing process that most shows go through. I don't expect to pay $20 either.
No. I see no reason I need to speak on behalf of others. I'll let others speak for themselves.
I'm not disputing that the new situation is, relatively speaking, better. That doesn't really contradict my complaint though as I just explained. I don't see any reason why this show couldn't have been given a normally priced BD release as well. Hence, while a DVD may be "better" than nothing, it is worse than getting a DVD and BD and thus, it is perfectly valid to complain that they didn't go with that option.
Yeah but it's also an inferior version. Surely you can see how that ticks people off. They're essentially being told: Oh? You weren't willing to or couldn't afford to pay the immense price we charged for the initial release? Well...fine. You can buy this inferior version I guess. That feels like a total slap in the face to me.
That's just empty speculation though. There's not a thing to actually support it at this time. If at some point in the future we get a BD then I'll be satisfied. Until then I don't see why I shouldn't voice my complaints.
Look, I'll admit you have a point about some fans. Some of them are just really really hard to please. You're lumping everyone together though which is erroneous. Just because some people will never be satisfied hardly means you should dismiss every complaint instantly. There are also plenty of fans who have legitimate and reasonable demands. To just automatically assume otherwise is not cynical. It's just foolhardy.
This is kinda funny to me. People often accuse the complainers of being spoiled brats. If you ask me though...anyone who considers spending $700 to be "trivial" is the one who's spoiled.
If you want to get pedantic about it, I am forced to either: -Buy a $400 BD -Buy a cheaper but inferior DVD version -Miss out on owning KnK I don't find any of those options to be very pleasant.
This is just a straw man argument and a particularly awful one at that. I never said anything to suggest this is the end of the bloody world. That doesn't mean this isn't something one can validly complain about though. Obviously in the grand scheme of things anime and all things related to it don't really matter in the slightest. The same applies to everything you've said as well though. |
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Gewürtztraminer
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You are not their customer. Their pricing, their strategy, all of it, they are not marketing to you. They know what will turn them a profit, they are not inclined to gamble on the results. |
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ikillchicken
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1) Let's go ahead and drop the bold text eh? You can express yourself without being obnoxious about it. 2) The fact that they are re-releasing this on DVD at a (presumably) lower price proves you wrong. Evidently Aniplex does also want people like me to buy this show. 3) Like I just said, this cuts both ways. If you're going to take the hard ass approach that I'm not their customer and so they just don't care about me then fine but then there's really no reason I should give a crap about them either. You can't really criticize my response that they can go to hell while using this attitude to defend them. |
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Kasugano
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Maybe if Garden of Sinners sale well here in the state they might considering releasing the blu ray too.
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