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dragon695
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I have no problems with porn, hentai, or boobs when consumed in the proper context. I don't come to ANN to be sexually titillated or view prurient material. I don't see why we should be subjected to this kind of LCD crap. Once again, I would have the exact same problem if it were a big-ass closeup of some dude's cloth-covered erection at the top. It's prurient material and it is stuff I don't feel comfortable having others noticing that I am seeing if I happen to be in a public place, which I was (workplace was just an example, I was actually at a library). And before anyone says, what about the articles, well I know better which ones to look at and which ones not to. No problem there, since most of the images are small enough anyway. They could have just done a tasteful but fun skin like they did for Rosario 2 a few weeks ago, where the "worst" you had was maybe a panty shot in the sidebar. You know damn well those boobs were given the lolicon shine and exposed as much as possible to be as sexually gratuitous without showing a nipple. It's the same as the lame placing "hearts" over the nipples. You can say oh its not sexual all you want, but if it walks like a duck... And once again, this isn't about where I live. It's great that you live in Canada, where you have all sorts of wonderful liberalism (how's that PM of yours doing for you?). That doesn't change the fact that I would still feel uncomfortable viewing this material in public if I lived somewhere else. I doubt you'd see a character looking like that in a PG film anywhere in America, but I guess things are done differently in Canada and I missed the Canada part in his statement, so it's my mistake over Chris' statement. But I still feel that it detracts from the overall family-friendliness of the site, which is supposedly why we have these [expletive] word filters in place. Ditto to the statement of ikillchicken, I want to feel comfortable sharing links to this site with my teachers and family. I think its ok to have fun skins when something is about to be released, but why be so crass about it?
Why should I have to explain anything to anyone? I shouldn't have to be put in that position in the first place. Maybe there've been worse skins in the past, but I've never noticed something that bad. I've always felt that I could at least read the articles in public without having pictures that big pop up on the screen. I've already taken back my words about the promise, since I did not know that Canada had a different rating system. I was wrong about that and I'm sorry. Still, supposedly ANN wants to promote a "family" friendly environment with some level of professionalism. It's not a matter of censorship, but rather a question of is this crassness really appropriate for this site's skin? I think the argument about professionalism is that you can still have fun themes and be entertaining without having the prurient material on display in the top of the page in such large proportions.
Just a hypothetical to cover my ass lest I be accused of hating seeing boobs only or some other such nonsense. I couldn't think of a better example. |
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Blood-
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@dragon695 - again, I couldn't care less what you personally find objectionable or not. You seem to have registered an account here for the express purpose of whining about fanservice. Whatever. It's a little hard to tell from your wall of words, but I will take the fact that you used the phrase "my mistake" and bolded it as evidence that you recognize accusing Tempest of going back on his word not to have un-PG ads at ANN was a douche move on your part. That's the only element in this entire conversation that has any relevance to me.
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ikillchicken
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Let me ask you something Blood. I hope you'll honestly consider it. I know you're a man who really likes the boobies. Do you think that might possibly be leading you to act a bit overly defensive here? I've read dragon695's post twice and nowhere do I see him criticizing fanservice itself. Yet you're being extremely hostile here in response to what you seem to perceptive as an attack on fanservice. It's fine that you like fanservice. Nobody here is criticizing that. I don't think it is unreasonable though that some of us find it awkward to have such images pop up when we go to ANN. This skin is perhaps technically PG but it is still pretty risque. |
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@ikc - My hostility to dragon695's posts in this thread is that he out and out accused tempest of lying and permitting non-PG ads when tempest had earlier said ANN would not do that. This was bullshit and has been proven so. I think this point was pretty obvious through all my posts in this thread. In the future, read more closely because I don't appreciate having my time wasted, understood?
Now, with respect to your point, I actually do feel a certain amount of sympathy for posters who don't want to see risqué images. As you point out, I love fanservice so this isn't a problem for me. But I can sympathize with those who want some way to screen those out and, unfortunately, as you have already pointed out, this can only be done when a user is logged in. Even though I've got my preference set to always be logged in, I sometimes get logged out even if I haven't turned off my computer in the interval. The only thing I'd say to all that is that ANN needs ads to survive. Funimation is probably one of its biggest clients. So in any matter where the stakes are ANN not surviving versus you or anyone else being made uncomfortable by a risqué PG ad (which inevitably there will be given that fanservice shows are not uncommon), it's pretty obvious where I would stand. This isn't Disney folks. Deal. |
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ikillchicken
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Okay Blood. Whatever. If you're gonna respond with condescending crap like this then I'm not gonna try to talk to you. I mean, what the hell man? I don't think I could have been any more polite in how I worded my comment and as you yourself pointed out recently in the community forum, we seem to have been getting along well recently. I would have thought that would at least buy me a civil response. Apparently not. 
Yeah. You mentioned that. You also accused him of having "registered an account here for the express purpose of whining about fanservice". As far as I can tell he hasn't done that. Hence my confusion. |
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Blood-
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ikc, you have to start accepting I read many, many, many more posts and thread here at ANN than you do. Believe me, one of dragon695's salient characteristics in his short time here at ANN is his whining about fanservice. He does have a somewhat different rationale for it, though. Instead of springing from prudish impulses, his take is that "at least porn is honest" and he doesn't like to be "cock-teased" with soft-core fanservice.
Second, if you had recognized that my point was him accusing tempest of lying, it would have been really friggin' nice to have acknowledged that instead of making no mention of it and immediately leaping to the issue of fanservice which was never my major concern here. If you don't like the tone of my responses - tough. I hate when people don't read properly. |
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ikillchicken
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Okay Blood. It's plainly obvious that regardless of whether I misread your post there is no reason you need to be so obnoxious. I mean, do you hear yourself here? You're telling me that, even though I've been nothing but polite with you, because I misunderstood something you said you're justified in being insufferably condescending in response. If you honestly think that then you need to grow up. I don't know what else to say. I honestly hope you'll consider this and maybe try to chill out in the future. You're a real good guy 95% of the time and I'd like for us to get along. I don't know what comes over you when you get mad about something though. |
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I blame the radiation I was exposed to in the lab whilst conducting secret experiments.
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V1046-R
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Must ve a very very difficult landmine to navigate if you go to anime sites and take offense at an image like that, and want to avoid seeing it altogether. I would imagine it would be like going to sports team sites & trying to avoid seeing team logos or colors.
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dormcat
Encyclopedia Editor
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Not for today's FMA: The Sacred Star of Milos skin, which has been somehow "integrated" into the ANN 2010 skin. Strangely enough, this "integration" only appears on Forum and Encyclopedia pages; news and review pages are unaffected. |
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Tempest
 I Run this place.ANN Publisher  Posts: 10420 Location: Do not message me for support. |
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That was a bug, it should be fixed now. |
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dragon695
Posts: 1377 Location: Clemson, SC |
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This is really the last I am going to say on the matter. First, I don't care why you think I have an account here, like I've said before, I am a long time reader and created my account before even you did. Why I chose not engage in the forums during most of that time is none of your business, thank you very much. Second, I am not opposed to having fun skins when anime is about to be released, which I made perfectly clear. My point was even for a fanservice show, like Ikki Tousen, it is possible to advertise without having a huge picture of barely covered tits pop up on the screen (big enough to have been visible from quite a distance (unlike other images on this site)). Hell, even compare the original HLP skin to the one this thread is about and notice the size difference. Anyway, in the other thread, it was mentioned that staff can ask the sponsors to dial back on risque elements if it got out of hand, I don't see why funimation can't be asked to do the same. These css layouts are custom made for ANN, I don't see what's so hard about that. To Chris M/Tempest: I made a mistake, misunderstanding and misrepresenting what you had said about advertising standards. I am truly sorry for that. I hope that clears up any lingering doubt to my sincerity about that matter. |
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Dude, no one cares about your opinion about how prominently or not distribs should use fanservice to advertise their fanservice titles. They understand a lot better than you do the best way to advertise fanservice titles. Here's a hint: you don't take into account the opinions of people who don't like fanservice and don't buy fanservice titles. Astounding observation, right? Pity you didn't stay registered and silent because all you've contributed to ANN since you started posting is one, long, boring whine about how you don't like fanservice. Tough titty, Miss Kitty, you'll just have to suck it up, because fanservice isn't going anywhere.
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Tempest
I Run this place. ANN Publisher Posts: 10420 Location: Do not message me for support. |
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You'd think that would be the case, wouldn't you? Sadly, licensees like Funimation sometimes get an extremely limited amount of licensor approved material for promotion purposes. In the case of Heaven's Lost Property, Funimation had two images. Knowing that both images were quite risqué, they made two skins from the start and allowed us to chose. We actually disagreed at ANN which one was more acceptable. The skin I eventually turned down featured the image on the box art (you can see it on the tower ad here) Although that skin had significantly less skin, I found the suggestive nature of the cake icing to be much less acceptable than the cleavage in the skin that did eventually run. The third option would have been to not run either skin. This did occur to me, but ultimately I decided that the cleavage did not actually cross any boundaries (it was nowhere as bad as the various skins we have refused). I've seen more exposed bodies on the BBC website, on the covers of respectable travel magazines, in Wired magazine, etc... If major publications can run ads (or content) with a certain amount of skin, I see no reason ANN can not. I'm sorry for those of you who disagree with that final decision, but what's done is done. I do try to keep most skins more conservative than this one, but I can quite honestly say that, given the limited options I had, I'd make the same decision next time. -t |
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