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The difference, of course, is the decline of the OVA and rise of the one cour TV series. Things that used to be exclusively in OVAs are now seen in those TV series. Look at a lot of ADV's early output, for example. There is an awful lot of "fanservice trash" in there. Hell, Devil Hunter Yohko, their very first release, is a great example of the sort of thing we're talking about. Yohko spent an awful lot more of that series naked than was strictly speaking necessary.

-- it's the fact that the anime industry, fandom and pretty much everything about anime is linked to cutesy fetish fodder, at the expense of a lot of other stuff that used to be able to exist quite reasonably well in a much more varied economy.

(There's also the fact that the character designs of women back then looked more like women and is not linked to a large subculture of men having problems relating to flesh-and-blood women, and thus less disturbing to me.)

Some people are trying to create an argument I never made, where my issue with plenty of anime now is sexuality. It really, really isn't sexuality.

I part ways with you on these points.

The industry has changed. Its not the same now as it was 5 years ago, 10, 15, 20 years ago, or how it will be 5, 10, 15, 20 years from now.

You don't like the current trend in character designs and fetishes. Well, ok? You are using that to make the same broad, sweeping generalizations that others are making, except now its about things that don't fit your taste.

Also, you are wrong. I can name plenty of shows airing right now that don't fit into those molds, and its not my fault you aren't looking for them, or are just willfully ignoring their existence.

What kind of freedom-hating jackanape gets to decide what Is and Isn't Right for people to watch?!?

Mohawk52 wrote:

I watched 15 minutes of the first episode and couldn't watch anymore without having to wash my eyes out with peroxide. I've also seen a few of the controvercial pages from the manga as well. Is that the same KnJ you watched and read?

The difference, of course, being that I've actually watched all of the anime (I think, there may be some OVAs I haven't watched, and honestly I don't really feel like it) and I read a good chunk of the manga, though I haven't kept up for the last few years.

I don't watch 15 minutes of a show, and a few random chapters of the manga, and then make broad, sweeping, insulting assumptions about it and the people who like it.

Its not like its Comic LO or something. Jesus.

Mate, you need to take a chill pill. You're taking this waaay too personally. I made nothing of the sort you discribed. The sense of vision is like any of the senses, like taste. Of course we are all different, but I don't have to eat an entire meal to know I don't like something. and seriously why should you care whether I like something, or not? It's not like the world has to conform to your way of thinking anyway.

Uh, you were saying it was about a little girl giving her teacher a blowjob. You deserve what Fencedude is saying since you're making stuff up about a series you don't know anything about to make it sound worse.

RyanSaotome wrote:

Uh, you were saying it was about a little girl giving her teacher a blowjob. You deserve what Fencedude is saying since you're making stuff up about a series you don't know anything about to make it sound worse.

You mean like you're doing now? I said "soliciting", look it up.

RyanSaotome wrote:

Uh, you were saying it was about a little girl giving her teacher a blowjob. You deserve what Fencedude is saying since you're making stuff up about a series you don't know anything about to make it sound worse.

You mean like you're doing now? I said "soliciting", look it up.

Are there any modern works that have the same spirit as Sherlock Hound, City Hunter, Dr. Slump, Area 88, Samurai Pizza Cats, Marco, Ryu Knight, Riding Bean, or Dominion: Tank Police? I'd say no (but if there are, please let me know!)

Mohawk52 wrote:

RyanSaotome wrote: Uh, you were saying it was about a little girl giving her teacher a blowjob. You deserve what Fencedude is saying since you're making stuff up about a series you don't know anything about to make it sound worse. You mean like you're doing now? I said "soliciting", look it up.

You are still wrong though.

One of the major points about KnJ, hell, THE major point, is that Rin is seriously screwed up. And so are her friends, but especially Rin. Her actions and her family situation are not portrayed as being "good" things.

One of the major points about KnJ, hell, THE major point, is that Rin is seriously screwed up. And so are her friends, but especially Rin. Her actions and her family situation are not portrayed as being "good" things.

And that would be very good if KnJ wouldn't be presented as an ecchi comedy for half the time.

Few outside the whole moe fandom will take that thing as anything else than pedo crap.

You are still wrong though.

One of the major points about KnJ, hell, THE major point, is that Rin is seriously screwed up. And so are her friends, but especially Rin. Her actions and her family situation are not portrayed as being "good" things.

The main premise of it is that the girls are disturbed and that they have disturbing relationships with their handlers (or whoever it is those guys who are their guardians are) and we're supposed to condemn that disturbing-ness, but all the appeal of Gunslinger Girl is 'look look, little assassin girls with guns, aren't they cool / cute'.