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NEWS: Tokyo's Youth Healthy Development Council Looks at To Love-Ru Darkness


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Cecilthedarkknight_234



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PostPosted: Sat Jun 02, 2012 12:16 pm Reply with quote
zr2008 wrote:
Mikan, Golden Darkness, and Nana are pretty loli. This is funny though, it has been almost like the author was making it this dirty on purpose to oppose the law


I really don't want to start a flame war but flat-chest/=/loli. I will not dive any deeper because this can spiral out of control, however yabuki's artwork on his characters is very different..
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 02, 2012 12:40 pm Reply with quote
Have to admit this job does sound kind of appealing. Read manga all day. Ban those I don't like. Get cred from parents. If I were a Tokyo civil servant I'd sign up.
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parents these days... my dad let me watch what i want ''watching girls is healthy!'' manga isn't just something.. it's f*cking ART!
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 02, 2012 12:58 pm Reply with quote
I have the feeling that the council just doesn't want to stir the hornet's nest. If they were to place restrictions on it, it would only increase tension between the Tokyo government and the otaku. Since right now the country has bigger problems then enforcing some stupid law.

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青白 wrote:
LOL, that kid got pwned up so hard right there. But nevertheless, I would really feel for the mother if her son is really young (the article never specified the age of the son). However I think it is toally fine for older people like around 16+ to be reading it, it's not that big of a deal since they have matured enough to control their behaviors. If the son in the article is at least 15 years old, then the mother who reported would be a total dick for doing it, she needs to respect her son's privacy.


It's a kids comic in Japan, so 15 is way too old to restrict it.
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Right now Governor Ishihara is screaming, "You bumbling buffoons, this isn't what I wanted!" Laughing
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 02, 2012 1:05 pm Reply with quote
Jarm wrote:
I have the feeling that the council just doesn't want to stir the hornet's nest. If they were place restrictions on it, it would only increase tension between the Tokyo government and the otaku. Since right now the country has bigger problems then enforcing some stupid law.


Some titles have been restricted already (not sure if by the mandate or voluntarily by publisher or both). But, yea, I wouldn't be surprised if the council is treading with light feet on this issue when they have to review something.
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 02, 2012 2:04 pm Reply with quote
superdry wrote:
Jarm wrote:
I have the feeling that the council just doesn't want to stir the hornet's nest. If they were place restrictions on it, it would only increase tension between the Tokyo government and the otaku. Since right now the country has bigger problems then enforcing some stupid law.


Some titles have been restricted already (not sure if by the mandate or voluntarily by publisher or both). But, yea, I wouldn't be surprised if the council is treading with light feet on this issue when they have to review something.


Most of which were not on most people's radar. However To-Love-ru has a sizable fanbase- so double standard??

I heard somewhere this thing was meant to satisfy some religious lobby but because of so much opposition they are threading lightly. The worst case that could happen is some nut takes over and uses the law to actually try and scrub manga clean- making it still dangerous.
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 02, 2012 2:10 pm Reply with quote
Ryu Shoji wrote:
I'll be honest, I have been tempted to import the To Love Ru and To Love Ru Darkness manga volumes from Japan due to the lack of a localised release, but I have often thought about whether I'll be convicted of trying to smuggle in child porn or something.

I remember being rather curious about how the new legislation would have affected the series, which iirc, had only recently started when the revision came into effect. Glad to see that it was found to not be going against that.
To assume that what passes in Japan will automatically pass in the UK could be hazardous to your freedom from incarceration. Wink
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 02, 2012 2:28 pm Reply with quote
Jarm wrote:
I have the feeling that the council just doesn't want to stir the hornet's nest. If they were to place restrictions on it, it would only increase tension between the Tokyo government and the otaku. Since right now the country has bigger problems then enforcing some stupid law.


Bingo. If they come out swinging with the jackboots, it'll only bring down City Hall.

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Most of which were not on most people's radar. However To-Love-ru has a sizable fanbase- so double standard??


Exactly. Low circulation manga can be safely banned - their fanbases are irrelevent relative to the population, and you can get political cred with arch-conservatives for attempting to clean up "smut". Large circulation publications bring a lot of money to publishers and are popular with a big enough number of people that banning them is probably political suicide. This new health law remains vile, but its unsurprising with the large amount of opposition it faced that it's being used to single out and punish small time mangaka rather than institute sweeping changes.

Japanese politics 101, I suppose. It's just like how instead of enacting legislation that actually tackles the roots of internet piracy, they'd rather just pick some poor slob from Sendai at random out of several thousand illegal uploaders to throw the book at and lock away for seven years.


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ConanSan



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PostPosted: Sat Jun 02, 2012 2:29 pm Reply with quote
Are they even trying? I Mean for goodness sakes, people, whilst I'm as anti censorship as anyone else, To Love Ru Darkness is full of stuff I wouldn't show to a kid!
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 02, 2012 2:31 pm Reply with quote
And this is why hiding your porno is a good idea.
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 02, 2012 2:34 pm Reply with quote
Just to remind people. It's NOT the nudity people are assuming that the bill is concerned about, it's the subject matter

Again, if it portrays something like a casual acceptance of incest, or actual sexual relationships between high school students, THEN it gets the ban hammer (yes the effect is nearly the same since it's removed then must be republished differently which most publishers have not done, e.g. Aki Sora and a few others)

Recall that Oku-sama wa Shōgakusei, non-graphic, non-explicit gag manga got affected
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 02, 2012 2:34 pm Reply with quote
Jarm wrote:
I heard somewhere this thing was meant to satisfy some religious lobby but because of so much opposition they are threading lightly. The worst case that could happen is some nut takes over and uses the law to actually try and scrub manga clean- making it still dangerous.


The lobbying excuse holds up enough that there is a ton of evidence, but no public proof for it. I'd be willing to say that it's a part of what happened and why some of the people changed their minds and supported the bill when the opposed it at first. Especially in the DPJ.

But I feel like a lot of people still have the wrong idea about the bill. Its effects are strong, but it does not completely ban anything. It just puts anything they deem inappropriate to sell to minors into the adult section. It's harmful in that it can literally ruin the sales of just about anything not already targeted towards those who can buy adult merchandise... and socially, it can ruin a series, publisher's, or author's reputation in the public... but the series that were discontinued typically discontinued themselves out of fear. Blacklists at convenience stores and such.

It's similar, but not the same thing.
Just saying it for the technicality since I've been talking to some friends about this and they've gotten the completely wrong idea about what it does.

zr2008 wrote:
Mikan, Golden Darkness, and Nana are pretty loli. This is funny though, it has been almost like the author was making it this dirty on purpose to oppose the law.


I think that's what happened. The publishers or someone had it ended, but for some reason, they brought it back as "Darkness." This is just my own inference, but considering the circumstances at the time, the original was ended very suddenly when everyone was freaking out about the bill. Once opposition was formed, and probably when sales of the magazine dropped significantly, they decided to bring it back just as suddenly. Thus, came "To Love Ru Darkness." It would make sense, considering how the magazine is run.
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 02, 2012 2:52 pm Reply with quote
To Love-ru ended suddenly because of Kentaro Yabuki's divorce problems, which involved him obtaining complete custody of his daughter (and thus needing the time to take care of her) as well as some legal issues with his wife trying to claim ownership of one of the characters, I believe.

As for the content being amped up in Darkness, it's published in Jump Square, which is targeted at a slightly older age group than Weekly Shounen Jump.
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