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B) Why on earth would you want the name used in the advertisement to not match the name used on the product? That's not pointless Americanization, that's simple consistency.

In what universe is it xenophobic to ask for a show dubbed into English, with English dubbed intros/outros, English credits, title cards, and interstitials to have the products it's selling be in the same language? Because this show will stay online only it probably wasn't worth the visual edit effort.

Polycell wrote:

B) Why on earth would you want the name used in the advertisement to not match the name used on the product? That's not pointless Americanization, that's simple consistency.

If the product was heavily altered via another company, then it should be ignored to keep the original story and content intact and dub/sub the anime as it is (such as, say, some video game anime. Sadly, Viz didn't do this and still used Funi's awful dub for the Detective Conan manga)

Especially in cases when it's going to be completely counteractive to the show itself and cause confusion. Hypothetical example: if Yu-Gi-Oh! Duel Monsters got this kind of faithful dub, yet the card game was still ruined by Upperdeck/Konami and they insisted on using those names, how on Earth do you handle the spirit of the ring's duel with the other Yugi? He plays a deck revolving around summoning the letters D E A T and H, and when he assembles all 5, he can perform a ritual to kill his opponent. The card game (and 4Kids dub) censored this to F I N A L and made it happier to avoid occult and death. Does he say "I play the 'I' card" when he puts down an 'E' and we see a demonic looking E pop up? Talk about confusing.

Same reason most companies don't edit Japanese text, and just offer a little note on the screen for what a sign or building says. You're editing the original art of the show at that point. Trying to erase any hint of Japanese is what bad companies do.

Same reason most companies don't edit Japanese text, and just offer a little note on the screen for what a sign or building says. You're editing the original art of the show at that point. Trying to erase any hint of Japanese is what bad companies do.

Did they just dub it because they could or did they work out some kind of deal?

Vata Raven wrote:

Did they just dub it because they could or did they work out some kind of deal?

It says in the credits it's TMS. I'm assuming it was a directly-contracted dub via the original owners. I think a similar case was the Pretty Cure dub that aired in Canada being commissioned directly by Toei. That is, if I'm remembering it right.

So you're saying the purpose of the anime should be ganked to preserve its integrity? The licensors don't care - they want it to appeal to the same age groups and work as an advertisement for the merch. If they change the merch to get the appeal, of course they'll want the advertisement changed to match. Sing all the paeans to the story of the thing that you want, but it's only there to sell the product. Actually, the example you gave seems like a perfect example of incompetence Japan-side - they failed to keep their commercial and their product sanely synchronous.

And, again, the purpose it serves is to advertise the cards - why should American kids gets short shrift while Japanese kids get to see replicas of the local version of the cards? Why should American kids be given a hard time finding their favorite cards?

I don't see what's wrong about translating the card text for a show meant to sell trading cards to kids. This isn't like they named Aichi to something overtly western like Andrew, and have re-written the story to say it takes place in New York. It's just a translation of the cards... It isn't some form of masquerading behind the fact it's Japanese, but rather just providing an easier experience for their target audience.

Do they even do this for any anime on TV that isn't an edited dub only? I don't recall Naruto or Tenchi, or One Peice ever changing the kanji or katakana when they were on TV.

Do they even do it on DVDs that aren't edited dub only? It just seems like a weird practice I've never seen outside those dubs.

Well first off, like it or not, but just because it's a tie in to a product doesn't mean people don't watch it without buying said product, or can enjoy it for it's story. God knows I'd rather watch Digimon Adventure than a 'non commercial' (and I say that with heavy sarcasm) anime like Bleach or One Piece or Naruto. After all, Japan put loads of effort into it, so why can't the American company? How would you feel if Madoka was cut up to promote the TCG. A show's purpose is to entertain, first and foremost.

Second, how on earth is that Japan's fault? It's DEATH in the Japanese card game and anime. Consistency is right there. It's only "FINAL" in the edited American version because they had to remove all violence and death in the show because it's 4Kids and that's what they do. It's entirely the American companies fault for editing things and being generally dumb.

Because if you're not Japanese, you're always going to be at at disadvantage.

Has Funi licensed more than one One Piece movie yet? No. How about the OVAs? No. Think they'll ever license the Dragon Ball x One Piece crossover? Maybe, since they own both licenses. How about One Piece x Toriko? Probably not unless they get that anime license. What about the games? Some games use the 4Kids VAs and some use the Funi VAs, so you don't get the same luxury as Japan which all use the same Japanese VAs.

Hell, there's still a lot of OVAs and special episodes of Pocket Monsters neither 4Kids or the current company have ever brought over. Despite them butchering the show to match the games, American kiddies are still getting screwed over.

Americans are always going to be at a disadvantage compared to Japanese fans. Personally, I'd argue why should American fans get screwed out of a faithful dub that doesn't edit everything more than anything. So yes, if the tie in is a lost cause, then ignore it and let the show keep it's integrity. Just like the dubbers for Star Ocean EX didn't get the horrendous English VAs or name changes from the game. In these instances, we have to be frank and say "If you're honestly a fan of the bad English product, you don't deserve this series. Please do not drag the rest of us down because of your bad taste."

Luckily, Vanguard seems to be doing just that.

Primus wrote:

I don't see what's wrong about translating the card text for a show meant to sell trading cards to kids. This isn't like they named Aichi to something overtly western like Andrew, and have re-written the story to say it takes place in New York. It's just a translation of the cards... It isn't some form of masquerading behind the fact it's Japanese, but rather just providing an easier experience for their target audience.

Do they even do this for any anime on TV that isn't an edited dub only? I don't recall Naruto or Tenchi, or One Peice ever changing the kanji or katakana when they were on TV.

Do they even do it on DVDs that aren't edited dub only? It just seems like a weird practice I've never seen outside those dubs.

Ever heard the phrase "non sequitur"? Nothing in that rant follows from my argument.

Remember the days when Ocean Productions was hired to do voices for anime, they would actually use their Vancouver studio... with great voice actors? In the past few years, nearly every anime dub from Ocean has used CALGARY talent from their cheaper Blue Water studio. Pretty Cure, Deltora Quest, Hunter X Hunter, Vanguard, etc have all used these guys... even some newer Mega Man games... Seriously, when was the last VANCOUVER English dub (other than Inuyasha: The Final Act)? Even Powerpuff Girls Z's English dub used Vancouver talent. If it was done now, it would almost certainly use Calgary talent. The only talented voice actor in Calgary is Carol Anne Day...

Seriously, their dubs suck. When I was watching Deltora Quest on The Hub, I was in shock that they actually let that trash be heard on national television (which is a shame, because it was a decent anime), and their dub of Dragon Ball and Dragon Ball GT for EuroCanadian broadcast was borderline laughable...

Don't get me wrong. I'm glad this series got an English dub, but I can't help but be a little disappointed at the quality.

Madoka wasn't made to advertise a card game.

That is the purpose of Cardfight!! Vanguard, Yu-Gi-Oh!, etc, first and foremost. Entertainment is a secondary concern. If you're not interested in the card game, you are not in the primary target audience.

Your last post implies Konami made the decision. If it was 4Kids acting alone, it is completely irrelevant to the point at hand and is of a completely different class of edits.

Ever heard the phrase "non sequitur"? Nothing in that rant follows from my argument.

If American kids watch and get interested in the card game, as is the whole point of making the anime, making it unnecessarily difficult to find their favorite cards because the names got changed for the card game but reflecting that in the anime would be "unfaithful" isn't "best practices", but just plain idiotic.

But your little implication that a name change, to target the same demographic, automatically makes something "bad" pretty clearly shows you refuse to accept the legitimacy of foreign media localized for kids - and the concomitant need to dodge a different set of moral panics - instead of fans.