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Lycosyncer
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Man, the majority of all Fathers in anime are really something to think about.
The worse father who comes to mind is of course, Charles zi Britannia from Code Geass and really, regardless of the justifications of what he is planning with the Ragnarok Connection doesn't justify his actions for what horrible traumatic events that Lelouch and Nunnally has gone through because of it. As for the best father, now that is a tough one but I think Soichiro Yagami from Death Note and Ranka from Ouran High School Host Club are the best closest examples of good fathers in anime that I could think of.[/spoiler] |
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Yttrbio
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I'll mention Ainosuke Futaba from Futakoi Alternative, even though very few people are going to be familiar with him. He's a very flawed father, who separated from his wife, leaving his son without a mother, and then died, causing his son to drop out of college. But he also serves as a powerful motivator for his son, both as an idol and a person whose mistakes his son could learn from. He's probably one of the most interesting fathers I've seen who spends the entire series dead.
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HaruhiToy
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I always had a kind of soft spot for Miyazawa Hiroyuki, who is Yukino's dad in His and Her Circumstances.
Yukino is of course totally mortified when her parents are called in for a parent-teacher conference, and her folks are not above teasing her about it the night before ("should we bring weapons?"  ) but when it comes down to it they back her right down the line. They have a happy family that really enjoys playing card games together and nurtures the three girls.
Of course Daikichi from Usagi Drop -- no question. I could write megabytes but will refrain. Quirky but good is Haruhi's father from Ouran Host Club, already mentioned. I only wanted to come up with positive cases it being Fathers day and all. It is interesting that out of the several hundred anime I have seen I can only think of a few positive examples but many negative ones. That's something I never considered before. There are, of course, many older male "masters" to point to that are laudable but they are rarely related to the protagonist. Is it the case that Japanese don't relate well to father figures? |
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Yttrbio
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lostrune
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Does America not relate well to mother figures since Disney always kills them off? 
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EireformContinent
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Or maybe because father/children conflicts are the one of the oldest motifs in the culture? While mother was universally associated with love and care, father as a family power holder was an obstacle on the path to independence.
Besides family conflicts are more interesting than calm people loving each other. |
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sailorsarah
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I've always like Sakura's father in Cardcaptor Sakura. He was very nice, loving, understanding, and supportive as a father should be. I like that he still loves their mother so much as well.
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Tris8
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A father I haven't seen mentioned yet is Balsa's father from Moribito. He doesn't play a large role in the series, but Balsa spoiler[wouldn't have survived if not for his sacrifice.] On the note of Moribito, I'll add Jiguro as a best father-figure. He gave up everything spoiler[to save Balsa's life. His status, family, money, even killing his friends that were sent to hunt him down.] He taught her to fight, ensuring that she could always take care of herself. |
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Stark700
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I'm actually watching Kare Kano/His and Her Circumstances right now and his father is so funny, especially being overprotective of her daughter "getting a man". Mm, going to finish this series now to see what sort of role he may play later on.
Hmm from the top of my head right now, I can think of the obvious example of Usagi Drop but also some other ones like... The classic Yugioh between the estranged relationship between Seto Kaiba and his stepfather and all that stuff he had to go through. In fact, there was an entire filler arc that was focused on such a topic. Also, Lelouch's father Charles zi Britannia from Code Geasss and the complicated relationship he has with him related to Social Darwinism. Cardcaptor Sakura's Sakura and her father's relationship is also one of the themes in the story and there was even an episode [spoiler](episode 22: No Time for Sleep) from what I could remember spoiler[involving the sleep card at the university from where he worked at where Sakura not only tried to capture the card but strives to save his father's hard work.] Others I can think of might be Eureka Seven where family is one of the main themes. Also, Naruto had themes of fathers playing significant roles in the story prior to the beginning of the arcs involving both Naruto Uzumaki and Gaara. (later on, the story is explored a bit more in the manga) Another immediate example just popped in my head is also Blue Exorcist especially in the beginning two episodes where Rin learns about the revelations of his identity the world of the supernatural. And of course, Rin's father being the brave man that he is, has been, and always will be told the words through his actions. Incredible dad tbh. Sankarea returns next week to its weekly schedule and I can't wait to see the spoiler[imminent fencing match between Rea's father and Chihiro to settle the score once and for all  ]
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Errinundra
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I want to put a counter view about Usagi Drop. Without wishing to diminish the loving and generous behaviour of Daikichi, he is not her father, something the anime goes to some pains to make clear. And I don't just mean he isn't in a biological sense. Both Rin and Daikichi have a clear understanding that their relationship is altogether different. This remarkable conversation between the two makes this clear.
Daikichi: Mm… You know… I’m not your father… Rin: Mmm Daikichi: But I’m not your big brother either, right? Rin: (Laughs.) Nobody thinks that! Daikichi: I’m just giving a for instance! The question is, what am I then? Rin: Daikichi! Daikichi: That’s my name… Listen, and this is only if you aren’t against it… What I’m trying to say… How can I put it…? Uh… What do you… Rin… Rin, what would you think… about me becoming your real father? Rin: Daikichi, you… become my father? Daikichi: So, say we did that, your name would become Kawachi Rin… Rin: Kawachi… Rin. (Pause.) No. Daikichi: No…? Don’t you think it’d be better if you had a father? Rin: My father is Grandpa. My name is Kaga Rin and I like it. It’s the same name as Grandpa. That’s important. Daikichi: I see… Rin: Daikichi should just stay Daikichi. To say that Daikichi is Rin's father is to deny Rin's agency within the relationship, misses the radical political arguments being made by Yumi Unita (that traditional social structures and biological ties aren't essential - or a hindrance, for that matter - in successful relationships), and may distract people when their relationship develops later. (I'm hoping this doesn't derail the thread.  I will post an example of a good father later today.)
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dtm42
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But he is her father-figure, which Key said we can also talk about. Even if Rin wants to keep her family name and doesn't consider Daikichi as her father, he is still a father-figure to her; raising her, teaching her, comforting her, nurturing her, protecting her, and loving her. Heck, Daikichi is not Kouki's biological father either, but he's a positive male role-model and paternal influence on the boy. |
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Crisha
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How about Joh-on from Beast Player Erin? He becomes Erin's foster father after she spoiler[loses both her mother and her home. He finds her barely alive and nurses her back to health.] He raises her for several years and helps nurture her interest in animal breeding. And though it was hard on him to let her go to the Ohju breeding school, he encourages her to follow her dreams and contacts the school to request that she be given a chance to prove herself. Their relationship was one of the most heartwarming of the series.
Another good father is Shuurei's dad, Shoka, from Story of Saiunkoku. He cares deeply for his daughter and is a constant supportive presence in her life. Another good one is Asumi's dad from Twin Spica. He works a harsh, back-breaking job to support the two of them, and though money is tight he still encourages her to follow her dreams and go off to an astronaut training school. Mr. Lion may also be considered a bit of a father figure, though his relationship with Asumi is a bit more ambiguous. There's also Asato Azuma from With the Light. He started off as a bad parent because his job was stressful and he didn't know how to handle Hikaru's autism, and so he just left all of the parenting to his wife and was mostly unsympathetic to her and Hikaru's plight. Eventually, he gets his priorities worked out and is determined to become the best father he could be to Hikaru and works hard to make Hikaru's life better by making others aware of autism and working to make things easier for disabled people in the workforce. I also agree 100% with Yukino's dad from His and Her Circumstances and Daikichi from Usagi Drop. |
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Key
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Wow, this one just floored me. If you're this harsh on Akio, then what do you think of Tomoya's actual father, then? As Rebuttal angle #1, I'll point out that Sanae is, at the least, equally culpable in all of the points that you mention - but that, of course, only matters if one accepts that your basic argument that Akio is overall a bad father. I notice that you're conveniently not mentioning all of the good that he and Sanae did, too. spoiler[Yes, Akio and Sanae did leave Nagisa on her own, while sick, as a little girl, and they spent the next dozen years regretting that and trying to make up for it. A bad parent wouldn't do that. Akio even sacrificed his dreams and changed his lifestyle radically so that he would always be there for Nagisa in the future.] A bad parent wouldn't do that, either. I'm less certain that you have a valid complaint about the second incident you mention, but again, even if I accept that as a sign of bad parenting her does what he can to make up for it. Throughout the second series he's generally quite supportive of his daughter's relationship with Nagisa and acts, in his own way, to make sure that Tomoya is taking things suitably seriously when he spoiler[wants to marry Nagisa]. And as for the last incident you mention? I think you're entirely off base there and missing and/or ignoring some important details. spoiler[Akio and Sanae didn't take Ushio away and raise her seperately to deny Tomoya; they did it because he was in such a funk that he couldn't. Tomoya was also (I thought) clearly shown as being unable to accept Ushio at first because she reminded him much too much of Nagisa. Perhaps the series didn't make this quite as clear as the movie version did, but Akio and Sanae did try to reach out to Tomoya, but he wasn't receptive. Admittedly the action they took to force Tomoya's hand was risky, but necessary] In other words, I saw Akio as making some mistakes but trying his best to correct and compensate for them. On the balance, he did right by Nagisa, so I would argue that became one of the good ones. For other examples, as a somewhat more obscure option I point to Miyuki Sakura's father (don't know that he's actually ever named) in Mahoromatic. He seems to have a pretty good handle on his horde of daughters and even looks out for Suguru, too, as the son he doesn't have. For further bad examples? just choose most any father from Shigofumi. I used one from that series as Bastard of the Year a couple of years back, and the series had at least one other strong runner-up candidate. |
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kaiser11492
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However, Charles at least cares for Lelouch and Nunnally spoiler[which is why he exiled them to Japan, where they would be safe from his immortal Code bearing brother V.V., who had just murdered Charles' wife out of jealousy.] Gendo Ikari in my opinion is one notch worst than Charles since Gendo is willing to spoiler[sacrifice his son's life in order to initiate the Third Impact just so he could be with his wife once more]. Charles on the other hand, spoiler[who had a similar plan (the Ragnarok Connection) is willing to sacrifice Lelouch and Nunnally to attain his goal because the consciousness' of the living and dead will be united as one. If his children die, in Charles' mind that's not bad for now since he will be reunited with them when they are all one.] Basically what I'm saying is that Charles seems to want his children to share his happiness in the end while Gendo in the end only cares about his happiness and not that of Shinji's. |
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dtm42
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Key, there's multiple things wrong with your post. I know you are a big fan of Sanae and Akio but that doesn't excuse your behaviour. I clearly made some points and then you accuse me of not making them. It would be stretching to call it a mere mistake on your part. So yeah, I'm kind of offended that you ould resort to that sort of behaviour.
This is not about him, because at least he wasn't a focal point for the show's hypocrisy. Although, I will bring him up later on . . .
I already said that she was equally to blame. You come across as cherry-picking my post.
Did I not already say that I didn't hold it against him for spoiler[spending years feeling sorry for that incident?] Did I not already say that? I didn't mention everything, no, but I didn't conveniently ignore anything.
So a bad parent wouldn't spoiler[regret hurting their child for years after the fact? Then what about Tomoya's father?] Did he not regret what he did? Did he not regret failing his son? Did he not try and do his best for the boy despite his own personal flaws? I'm not defending him, but if you are going to give Akio a pass because he regreted what he did then shouldn't the same apply to spoiler[Tomoya's dad?] The reverse also applies; if you are going to criticise one man then shouldn't you criticise the other man too?
I fail to see how this applies to the second incident. We are talking about the end of the first season, right, and the mean act of spoiler[not helping Nagisa out until she had embarrassed herself in front of a large audience?] So where does the second season (After Story) come into the second incident?
If he's in such a funk - and it was a lot worse than that - then wouldn't that be the time to give him the support he needs? Even if he doesn't want anything to do with the Furukawas, he needed them to be there for him. And they weren't. As for Ushio, Tomoya may have wanted nothing to do with her but that was the depression talking. Depriving a father of spoiler[the first five years of his daughter's life and a daughter of the first five years of her life without her biological father] is just plain wrong. The Furukawas put it into the too-hard basket to look after Tomoya so they barely tried. And it doesn't matter what the movie said, I'm not talking about the movie (which I haven't seen) but the series. You know, Tomoya was always there for people. spoiler[Remember how he skipped school for a week and spent the week digging up weeds in Kotomi's yard because he wanted her to open up to him? Remember how he tried so hard to help Fuko out? Remember how he was the one who reached out to Nagisa and helped her get the drama club back in operation? And what did he get in return? The one time he needed his friends and adopted family they weren't there for him.] It disgusts me, because it runs completely contrary to the show's supposed themes of family being there for one another; so much for the dango dango song. But I guess that getting him help would have been too boring. Instead, the Furukawas spoiler[trick him into looking after Ushio and he leaves her alone in a field for several hours to take a walk. Not the way to do it you morons.]
They sure didn't do right by spoiler[Nagisa's husband and daughter when Nagisa was dead.] |
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