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Surrender Artist
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Wait... is that supposed to be Neil Degrasse Tyson?
Had he survived, I believe that Hitler would have said that he had been half kidding about invading Poland. |
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Zac
ANN Executive Editor
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No. Actually this bizarre speech you gave has nothing to do with anything other than your own persecution complex and a whole lot of really weird arrogance. I don't really know what's going on in your head, I never pretended that I did. In fact I'm not even sure what it is I did to you, personally, to deserve this kind of constant harassment and browbeating. Maybe you could treat me like a human being instead of some dumb political sockpuppet you feel like pushing as far as you can all the time. The only thing I have figured out is that it was a colossal mistake for me to engage you on any level - here on the forums, on Twitter, and you're showing up now in my livestream - and you won't leave me alone. How would you react to someone treating you like that? Without any decency or any regard for you as a person? Or maybe you're just another dumb conservative bully. Maybe you should prove to me that you aren't. |
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RogerSterling
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You 'really' feel persecuted by me? yeeeesh. You really don't get out much (forum wise) - If that's how you feel relax.... their just opinions. clearly it's upsetting you. I wanted to debate & trade barbs with the guy from the Podcast - he was bold and had really interesting opinions - that's all my interest ever was. I wanted to talk to "that guy" - clearly I've misjudged you. It's My Mistake - You are what you are. There's no more reason to comment here (yes, really) - I just wanted to hear you back up some of your arguments about "Moe" and things I still don't think you really understand about Popular "modern" Anime - it saddens me because your site is possibly the biggest kid on the block (for Info about Anime) and you're really close minded to A LOT of things that make it successful. But you don't care, or want opposing views - why bother posting here if you see it as "harrassing" - what a joke. Have fun at the Honeycomb HideOut kids - there's a whole NET full of Otaku's shaping the Anime Universe as we speak - and NONE of them come here (IMO!) - again my mistake - carry on. Delete my name, account, whatever - whatever gets your "feelings" back in check. Later P.S. Watch some of "Mad Men" on AMC, you'll understand why I chose this ID name. |
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Fencedude5609
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We would appreciate not being associated with you. Thank You Very Much. Also, stop being on my side, it makes us look bad. |
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Hypeathon
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Okay, I need to ask. How long have you listened to the ANNCast? Like when did you start listening to it? |
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dandelion_rose
 Posts: 657 Location: Kuala Lumpur |
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No offense guys, but this thread is fast becoming a 'dudes talking about feminism' thread.
@RogerSterling If you don't mind me commenting on your personal life (since you mentioned it) I think that your growing up without a mother may contribute to your romanticizing the image of the housewife-ly woman. One of the downsides of having only one working parent is that money issues tend to be more serious. When both spouses work, there's a degree of independence, but when one is completely reliant money fights happen more easily. That's not to say that they're non-existent in couples where both spouses work, but there is still freedom and independence for both to use the money as they please. This model affects men just as well as women. We find that in Japan, for example, salarymen endure long hours away from the family, often under very top-down management styles. During economic recessions when many get laid off, a number of jobless salarymen left their houses fully dressed to work and just wandered about in the streets -- they couldn't admit to their families that they were retrenched. This sense of isolation caused by conformity is explored in a lot of Japanese media and art. I recall that several anime industry people (Hideaki Anno comes to mind) saying that he grew up with a very distant father, something shared by a number of the GAINAX crew back when they were still working with Evangelion and FLCL. (digression - they don't make anime like they used to, whine) Of course, Japanese society is becoming more fluid. But I wanted to throw a little water on the 'traditional family' model you long for. The other thing, and I think it goes back to that magical girl image I saw, is that I find that Western otaku have the tendency to exoticize Japan as this haven free from things that they dislike in Western society. I find it a very narrow appreciation of Japanese culture, and one that usually doesn't extend beyond a very limited exposure to Japanese media. |
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SereneChaos
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And what if a woman doesn't want to be the homemaker or girly, or a man doesn't want to be the bread winner? Then they get to deal with social stigmatization, and that's the problem with enforcing gender roles. If someone doesn't want to conform to them, well then they'd better be prepared to deal with lower pay, being an oddity, and people judging them without knowing them. Maybe the majority are content to live like society tells them to but not everyone is, and it sucks for those who aren't. Why does a woman need to be girly to enjoy being a woman? I'm damn proud of my gender, but I don't enjoy (and in some cases despise) dresses, skirts, high heels, make up and other "girly" things. I don't care what I look like and by your standards, I've "sold my soul to Progressive values". I don't want to be "kept girly". I want to be able to do, look, and act how I want to without society trying to force me into being someone I'm not, and more importantly, I want other women (and men!) to be able to do the same. |
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YotaruVegeta
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"You can't judge Japanese Anime by Western standards"
Hear that, ANN? Time to shut it down! I can't wait for the next ANNCast with 10 tweets from RogerSterling. |
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The1985Filmation
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Zac brought up an interesting point about characteristics traditionally associated with men being of greater value to our society than those associated with women, when he discussed game character which are only feminine in appearance. When I was an American Studies major during my undergraduate work, this switch in feminist thinking was often discussed in class. While feminism in America has gained women many privledges which they had not previously enjoyed (voting, working, equal or close to equal pay, maternity leave, health insurance etc.) the movement also devalued and degraded those things which are traditionally considered "women's work." Such is it that women AND MEN who CHOOSE to stay home and care for their children are considered of little or no value to our society.
However, feminism should be cheifly about choice. The right for women and men to choose their own vocation. Emotional and mental strength make a person strong. Not just physical strength. "Women's work" is important work. We are raising the next citizens of our country. Our children will be voters and workers. The food which women create in their kitchen is vital to all the cultures of the world. Women can be strong WITHOUT taking on manly characteristic. We are strong in our own right. Though, this may not be the stuff of compelling video games. (Maybe SIMS?) |
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noigeL
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*sighs* So, not unlike the Lollipop thread, everyone agrees sexism is bad and yet somehow at the same time nothing is sexist. I'm trying to decide if this should be called sexism-lite or sexism 2.0.
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Zac
ANN Executive Editor
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This is the same tactic racists use - nothing is ever racist anymore and the real racists are the ones who call other people racists, etc etc etc. It's a nonsense smoke screen people with vile things to say about minorities and women use to continue saying those things without any consequences. It's also hilariously transparent and obvious then they're doing it, and I don't know why they still seem to think it's such an effective tactic. |
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dandelion_rose
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That's because this thread has been meaninglessly hijacked to the point that there is no possible thoughtful discussion around the subject. |
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Mesonoxian Eve
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Perhaps, but there is a silver lining: there are people in this discussion I will never waste my time with again. |
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TitanXL
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Ignoring everything else he said, he is right about that. Doraemon would be an adult-only porn cartoon here if you did that. As opposed to one of the most beloved children's classics in Japan enjoyed by little kids. Just because how it would be viewed elsewhere doesn't change what it actually is. |
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YotaruVegeta
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I've never watched Doraemon. What's "porn" about it?
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