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PostPosted: Wed Apr 01, 2009 2:51 pm Reply with quote
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"And you can't kill your own dragon. You can't chop off your own balls"


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PostPosted: Wed Apr 01, 2009 3:25 pm Reply with quote
Let me be blunt and too the point.

Between the destruction of the original story and the continual destruction of beloved anime characters, there is not enough money on the face of this planet to make me want to see this movie.

Please, in the future, if you're going to make a movie, make it correctly.
Stop thinking you can throw a piece of feces at us anime fans and expect us to go running to see it.

We are not that dumb.

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At that moment, I fully believed that despite no matter what else happened in the final print of Dragonball: Evolution, that they had at least created a convincing villian —even if he looked nothing like his manga character.


You've hit on something there, Bamboo: If something is a bad adaptation, it needn't be automatically bad. For example, the movie version of "V for Vendetta" is a terrible adaptation of the GN, but if you pretended the GN didn't exist, it's a good movie in its own right.

Will "Dragonball: Evolution" (which from everything I've seen will be a pretty awful adaptation) do the same? I'm doubting it. I'm really, really doubting it. Unless it plays it heavily for campy fun.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 01, 2009 3:45 pm Reply with quote
vashfanatic wrote:
Will "Dragonball: Evolution" (which from everything I've seen will be a pretty awful adaptation) do the same? I'm doubting it. I'm really, really doubting it. Unless it plays it heavily for campy fun.

I've been told it makes for a good drinking game. Or a bad one, depending on your views on excessive alcohol use.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 01, 2009 4:09 pm Reply with quote
Hmm, shot entirely in Mexico. It is all starting to unfold now, the wake of the movie. I'm sorry to say this, but these people sound like they knew what they were doing, they really do. They are fans in their own right, and then there are all sorts of other types of fans for this series.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 01, 2009 5:12 pm Reply with quote
An online friend of mine who runs a movie site I go to also went down to Mexico. He even asked me for questions because he wasn't too familiar with Dragon Ball. So I asked my friend who was into it. Though it sounds like it was more of a tour than any full interviews.

He was going over his notes for his write up and asked me for the correct spelling of the names of the Fu Luns and the temple. I kinda had to laugh because, looking into it, those were pretty much made up for the movie. Though I did find some loose parallels in the original comic.

Peothra wrote:
Let me be blunt and too the point.
Between the destruction of the original story and the continual destruction of beloved anime characters, there is not enough money on the face of this planet to make me want to see this movie.
Please, in the future, if you're going to make a movie, make it correctly.
Stop thinking you can throw a piece of feces at us anime fans and expect us to go running to see it.
We are not that dumb.
BOYCOTT LIVE ACTION FLICKS!
Thank you

All live action flicks? Just anime adaptions? What about Death Note? That was Japanese made and I still thought it was a horrible adaptation. What about 20th Century Boys? I think you certainly need to evaluate each film on a case by case basis.

Plus, I gotta say, Speed Racer was pretty dead on to the original, especially in looks. I honestly don't get why it gets ragged on. I saw it when a friend rented it and don't know why it bombed.
vashfanatic wrote:
If something is a bad adaptation, it needn't be automatically bad. For example, the movie version of "V for Vendetta" is a terrible adaptation of the GN, but if you pretended the GN didn't exist, it's a good movie in its own right.

Speaking of Wachowski, V for Vendetta was a much closer adaptation than this Dragonball film. I can certainly nitpick alot of what was missing from the book, how V was toned down, Evey beefed up, the lack of V quoting Yeats (personal favorite), etc. Yet I thought it was still a decent adaptation even if very flawed. Plus they corrected the whole nuclear thing with the more sensible biological attack, a flaw in the original comics Moore commented on in the later collection. And, like you said, sometimes the new can be decent even if different. The Hellboy movie or the Planetes anime come to mind too.

Yet.. I don't think Evolution here is gonna cut it. It just looks dreadful. It makes X-men 3 look like X-men 1. Then again, it seems to be a trend with Fox. Taking comic books and then ignoring a lot of what made it good in favor of studio mandates and test audiences. Remember the abortion that was X-men 3? Wolverine is looking only slightly better.

Funny, two of Fox's big summer tent poles with rabid fickle fanbases have already have leaked online.
vashfanatic wrote:
Will "Dragonball: Evolution" (which from everything I've seen will be a pretty awful adaptation) do the same? I'm doubting it. I'm really, really doubting it. Unless it plays it heavily for campy fun.

I think that's a problem. They took out the fun and made it all.. um.. Smallville. (Smallville is now an adjective.) The original Dragon Ball was an action comedy. Even DBZ, which I've seen much more of, had a certain sense of fun and goofiness amid the drama of death and global destruction. It's a very odd yet amazing balance the original comic and anime had. This movie just.. eh.. seems like a typical action movie. It lacks that unique charm Toriyama created.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 01, 2009 5:31 pm Reply with quote
I really hope this is an April fools joke.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 01, 2009 5:52 pm Reply with quote
Peothra wrote:

BOYCOTT LIVE ACTION FLICKS!

Thank you


Speed Racer was a lot of fun.

Why does Japan seem happy with live action movies & tv dramas made off anime & manga & western fans are so violently against them?
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 01, 2009 6:02 pm Reply with quote
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Speed Racer was a lot of fun.

Why does Japan seem happy with live action movies & tv dramas made off anime & manga & western fans are so violently against them?

I believe it has to do with fanboyism and eliticism. If you're in a certain group of fanboys, and they're hating on it, you go along with them. And then there are those people who think they know everything about anything that is to come.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 01, 2009 6:11 pm Reply with quote
CCSYueh wrote:
Peothra wrote:

BOYCOTT LIVE ACTION FLICKS!

Thank you


Speed Racer was a lot of fun.

Why does Japan seem happy with live action movies & tv dramas made off anime & manga & western fans are so violently against them?


My guess would be the track record with adaptations. While I don't think it's quite as horrible as some would make it out to be, there's still a good chance one of your favorite franchises is gonna get beat over the head with a stick.

My other guess would likely be the "they're not Japanese and they must not touch our sacred cartoons" crowd or something like that.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 01, 2009 6:31 pm Reply with quote
fighterholic wrote:
CCSYueh wrote:
Speed Racer was a lot of fun.

Why does Japan seem happy with live action movies & tv dramas made off anime & manga & western fans are so violently against them?

I believe it has to do with fanboyism and eliticism. If you're in a certain group of fanboys, and they're hating on it, you go along with them. And then there are those people who think they know everything about anything that is to come.


Elitism, not eliticism.

There's also a greater fear of adaptation decay when it comes to anime and manga adaptations in the west because of how Hollywood might Americanize a Japanese seriously. As has apparently happened with "Dragonball: Evolution" from all the clips I've seen and all the reviews I've heard.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 01, 2009 6:42 pm Reply with quote
GeneralArrow wrote:
I really hope this is an April fools joke.


Me too, that part about the costume for Goku made me laugh out loud, then I realized that it may not be a joke.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 01, 2009 6:56 pm Reply with quote
This isn't an April Fool's joke, it's just standard coverage. Yeesh.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 01, 2009 7:06 pm Reply with quote
Zac wrote:
This isn't an April Fool's joke, it's just standard coverage. Yeesh.


Either you're a dirty liar, or James Marsters holds the record for most horrible pun imaginable.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 01, 2009 7:09 pm Reply with quote
Look, its not that a live action movie can't be good and it has nothing to do with it being "NON" Japanese personal filming or directing it.

Its more that Hollywood doesn't care and just wants to make a buck off us.

The Speed Racer Film, I can't comment on. I did not like it as an anime and the new version on Nick Toons is so bad it smells.

I haven't had a chance to watch the Death Note Films. I will eventually.

The Spiderman movies were okay, The Hulk, Fantastic 4 and X-men movies were pretty bad. Herky Jerky in the following of the story line and such.

I want them to do more than toss characters on a screen and call it a live action film. I recently saw that the man slated to do a Cowboy Bebop Live Action Flick is not even a fan.

Knowing how bad they make these movies, I can see them screwing that up as well. Doing something stupid like making Ed a boy.

Until Hollywood makes the movies correctly we should boycott them or they will continue to make them...and make them BADLY
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