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NEWS: J Industry Group Agrees on 'Rape Game' Ban on Tuesday

vincent iii wrote:

2DOtaku wrote: vincent iii wrote: Both the poem and quote are quite excessive... You say that now... I just feel using holocaust and Hitler references for a video game genre getting banned to be excessive. But that's just my personal view

That quote or not, whenever stuff starts getting banned for moral reasons, it becomes a slippery slope, always leading to the question of what should be banned next.

That quote or not, whenever stuff starts getting banned for moral reasons, it becomes a slippery slope, always leading to the question of what should be banned next.

If stuff gets banned, it's not 'cause the slope is "slippery", it's 'cause there's some guy outside pushing it downhill. Invariably.

dan888 wrote:

That quote or not, whenever stuff starts getting banned for moral reasons, it becomes a slippery slope, always leading to the question of what should be banned next.

Oh noez, the dreaded slippery slope.

First they came for the murderers, but I did nothing because I was not a murderer.

Then they came for the kiddy-fiddlers and the violent abusive thugs, but I did nothing because I was not a kiddy-fiddler nor a violent abusive thug.

Then they came for the burglars, the thieves, and the fraudsters, and I did nothing because I was neither a burgler, nor a thief, nor a fraudster.

and then they... kinda stopped.



I hate the "slippery slope" argument applied to censorship, because I don't believe there's any real-world examples of a censorship regime growing owing to purely internal dynamics and effects.

If stuff gets banned, it's not 'cause the slope is "slippery", it's 'cause there's some guy outside pushing it downhill. Invariably.

nargun wrote:

If stuff gets banned, it's not 'cause the slope is "slippery", it's 'cause there's some guy outside pushing it downhill. Invariably.

No, the guy doesn't push it downhill. He trips and falls, and the masses that are dying for recognition/fame start pushing it downhill as a scapegoat without regards to the fact that peoples' actions and faults are the result of their own stupidity and irresponsibility.

So this is how liberty dies... with thunderous applause...

nargun wrote:

dan888 wrote: That quote or not, whenever stuff starts getting banned for moral reasons, it becomes a slippery slope, always leading to the question of what should be banned next. Oh noez, the dreaded slippery slope. First they came for the murderers, but I did nothing because I was not a murderer. Then they came for the kiddy-fiddlers and the violent abusive thugs, but I did nothing because I was not a kiddy-fiddler nor a violent abusive thug. Then they came for the burglars, the thieves, and the fraudsters, and I did nothing because I was neither a burgler, nor a thief, nor a fraudster. and then they... kinda stopped. I hate the "slippery slope" argument applied to censorship, because I don't believe there's any real-world examples of a censorship regime growing owing to purely internal dynamics and effects. If stuff gets banned, it's not 'cause the slope is "slippery", it's 'cause there's some guy outside pushing it downhill. Invariably.

Look at the slow but sure changes in terms of what is acceptable on the main Japanese TV stations (such as TV Tokyo) between 1990 and 2009. These broadcast regulations have become stricter overtime (not on one station, but pretty much all stations outside of satellite) and that didn't happen overnight. Equivalent content needed less censorship during prime time in the late 80's then it does at midnight today. That appears to be a slippery slope to me.

Another form of narrative and art buried by the censors… SHAME ON YOU JAPAN!!!

"PEOPLE WHO WANT TO BAN RAPE GAMES ARE WORSE THAN HITLER!!!"

Wetall wrote:

nargun wrote: If stuff gets banned, it's not 'cause the slope is "slippery", it's 'cause there's some guy outside pushing it downhill. Invariably. No, the guy doesn't push it downhill. He trips and falls, and the masses that are dying for recognition/fame start pushing it downhill as a scapegoat without regards to the fact that peoples' actions and faults are the result of their own stupidity and irresponsibility.

For someone who seems to be arguing very strongly that exposure to rape games doesn't influence actions, you seem strangely convinced of the power of cultural/environmental influences on people's actions when it comes to the censorship debate.

Which is it? Are people slaves to their environment, be it rape-games or external pressure for censorship, or are they capable of making their own decisions?

Because I don't think you can have it both ways.

Ahahaha don't kid yourself, just because everyone is going on about slippery slopes and how they should have the right to brutality rape virtual women if they want does not make it art. At all.

I think the most interesting thing is, if they had just picked a different name for the game, like "Woman hunter" or "Stalker" or even "Vile man-beast", we wouldn't be having this discussion. I think they only reason it's even an issue is because the title is just so damn obvious. It would be like if GTA was retitled "Kill Cops and Run Over Pedestrians for Fun (Also to be known as KCROPF)). People would be out to ban it in a minute (although Grand Theft Auto is pretty bad as a title I guess)

I also think the reason the theme of rape is such a hot button topic is because there never is a good rapist. In movies/video games/ etc, a guy who kills people all day long can still be a good guy. The guy who holds an entire hospital hostage so they can treat his child who has cancer, hero. The guy who steals bread from the store for his daughter, such a wonderful father to put himself at risk to feed his child.

There are no good rapists. It will never happen, because, at least as far as my imagination goes, there is no way to "justify" rape as there are for other crimes, even something like murder.

All that being said, I don't think the game should have been banned. It's been out for at least a couple of years, and unless Japan has seen a huge uptick in rape crimes (don't have the stats on that so if someone does, feel free to correct me), I don't see a reason for banning it other than "it's icky", which quite frankly isn't a good enough reason to ban something.