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Charred Knight
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If you want to complain about the ban by pointing out that it's never been proven that it hurts anyone fine, but don't tell me people make these games for art.
The only way these games have a message is if the message is misogynistic. |
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muppsatan
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None makes the games for the purpose of having it exhibited at an art gallery i'll agree with you on that. The character designs can be considered art the background drawings can be considered art(i'm not sure if the product as a whole can be considered tastefull art but it is art according to my dictionary). The only clear message this game has is: If you like rape fantasies masturbate to me. Anyway it's not like the ban means anything it's just a simple smoke screen to avoid overzealous "womens rights groups" and politicians, so to those who say "thank god it's banned" tough luck this is the exact opposite of what you want HAH suck on it  .
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fuuma_monou
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The hero of Hart's Hope rapes the princess of the kingdom he just conquered in order to consummate their "marriage". She was 12. The rest of the story spoiler[is how that turned her into a witch obsessed with revenge to the point where she's basically the evil stepmother in a Disney movie.]. By the end you feel sorry for the guy. Doubt that the typical rape simulator is that nuanced, but then your average fragfest isn't either. |
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JLightstar
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No... There are rape themes in BL games as well... Enzai is one of them. Of course, I don't know if the english edition was cleaned up in terms of rape but spoiler[ they edited a scene where someone pissed inside the Main character's mouth] I think the industry when they are working out the details need to ask themselves " Is this ok or is this overkill?" I think policing themselves is better than someone hovering over a clipboard and screaming " that's isn't acceptable!" Course, this is allow creators and designers to come up with better concepts for future games because they are being challenged. I do wonder if this will affect games posted on dlsite.com? |
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Doddler
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Aha, this is the post I found the most offense with, saying that violence and rape is like comparing apples and tomatoes. Murder and Rape are considered the two most reprehensible acts in society. The media has glorified murder and violence, to the point where killing, shootings, torture, and physical suffering of others is not only widely seen in media and games, at times it is the sole purpose of those. It's quite narrow minded to suggest that games/media can tastefully represent murder and violence and that they cannot represent rape in the same way, and that all rape games are about encouraging rape when media does not glorify murder. You might seem to think that the two are vastly different, but both are horrible crimes, I don't see how you could actually think that games can encourage rape but not encorage violence when used in the same manner. You can't have it just one way and not the another. Personally I'm against the ban on the grounds that it normalizes rape. When you ban something like rape games, you're sending the message that a society that produces these titles are responsible for rape, rather than the individual. It legitimizes the act, when a person can blame something other than himself for doing it. |
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nargun
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Again, we find people arguing that the cultural influence of "playing rape games" is minor and insignificant and entirely unable to affect the actions and desires of the individual, but the cultural influences of "banning rape games" are vast and widespread and entirely dictate the actions of the individual. |
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Prodigiosus
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I think what some people are saying is that the banning of that game could potentially lead to the banning of other games (the slippery slope angle which I'm not really behind) or that it could lead to over-reaching censorship. The reason why banning the game does have a different effect than people playing it is because nobody has to play the game who doesn't want to, therefore anyone who plays it has made an individual decision to play the game. Banning the game takes away the ability of adults (its not like the game was being sold next Barbie's Princess Castle or something) to MAKE their own individual decisions. I don't like the banning of this game, even though I have never played it and have no intention of playing it. I don't like the ban because it takes away an individuals ability to decide on their own whether or not they want to play it. It also implies that when it comes to certain themes, people are incapable of policing themselves, and that they need a larger body (be it government or private ratings board) to tell them what they can and handle, and what they should deem as appropriate vs. inappropriate. I don't like the idea of someone in a sense pulling something out of my hand and going "Bad girl. Bad, bad girl. You shouldn't play things like this! We know what's best for you so you can't have this. Now go sit in that corner and wait for something that won't offend people you don't know." And for the person (I don't recall who made the original statement) that said that rape and violence are two different things...you're wrong. That's it. No wavering. You're just wrong. |
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DPX
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ACSsUhFk7I&feature=player_embedded
I'll just leave this here, as this man summed up everything I think about on this topic. |
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4nBlue
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http://zepy.momotato.com/2009/06/03/the-fax-from-the-eocs-was-sent-out/
The details of the regulation are out and they are worse than what even the members of the meeting expected.
Are violent girls that smack wimpy protagonists in problem, because smacking someone on daily basis should count as domestic violence.
EOCS, fooling your members is not a good way of doing business. I have not played any rape focused games before but this sure makes me feel like I should try one. Edit: Just to make it clear, all of my comments about rape not being rape if girl enjoys it are directed only to fictional 2D girls and do not reflect my opinion of real women and real rape. |
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dewlwieldthedarpachief
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Well, I guess we beat this to death. A quick word though; every time there's something controversial in the news and people heat up in the forums about it, we inevitably have dissenters who bemoan that they've heard it all before and why can't everybody just know everything and shut up (crude paraphrasing, to be sure).
Nevertheless, I really appreciate the ability to become more aware of these things and be able to discuss them with you people. I think it's important to talk about these things, even if that means we burn with the passion of a thousand clashing Crystal Kings. You can bet that I'll be all over it the next time we get another nanometer close to 1984. |
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BellosTheMighty
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What, indeed. Apparently the EOCS members don't have as much say in what the organization does as they thought. Only that doesn't make sense. If the EOCS was created by the publishers to safeguard their interests from government regulation, then why are they going to blindside their members like this? All it would do is get them to withdraw and form some new organization, or move to the internet where nothing can ultimately be regulated, or just take their chances with the whims of the Diet. Some massive idiot must be in charge here. UNLESS- more likely, I think- this is a hoax. I mean, according to Canned Dogs, the source for this is a bunch of posters on 2ch. Isn't that the JP equivalent of 4chan? And anonymous in any case? I'd hold your fire until we get an official press release. I'd like to reiterate that none of it really matters in the long haul. As I said above, the pendulum will swing in good time. |
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Haterater
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Slippery slope has now happened. According to http://zepy.momotato.com/, they are regulating other things not even connected to a rape theme as well. And some of the companies like minori have now restricted access for foreign fans, most likely so that there won't be any more complaints overseas.
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Reikon
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Well, I'd like to see the defenders of the ban step up now. They're now banning actions between consenting adults.
Is this not enough for you guys? Will you just sit back again just because none of those topics interest you? This is a concrete example of something snowballing past the original proposal. Are you just going to keep waiting until it affects you, when it's too late? Wake up already. |
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BellosTheMighty
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Patience, grasshopper. It will just get us to the backlash stage sooner. Besides that, we're still not dealing with anything that could get anyone arrested. What we have here is two private businesses deciding who they do and don't want to do business with. From the consumer persepctive, this is merely barriers to entry. At the worst, producers will have to find a new way to distribute, and that will only benefit fans in the long haul as what they find will inevitably allow them more creative freedom and artistic license. For reference, a general rule: until the police are involved, you don't have a free-speech problem. It's simply business. Possibly sleazy business, but both producer and consumer can always take their business elsewhere. I have yet to be convinced this is not an attempt by the large publishers to crush smaller ones and grab their market share- or, perhaps more understandably, to distance themselves from people who they feel are giving them a bad name. Some of you are probably wondering why I can be so carefree about this. Well, the answers' pretty simple; I am truly 'care free', or in other words- I don't care. And, frankly, neither should you. If you have a working genital, a hand, and an imagination, you have all you need. Everything else is just study aids. No decent artist is going to have to stop making art because of this- if they are any good, they will make different art, and if not, they should probably have gotten a new career anyway. Art, remember, comes from the mind, and no government on earth can regulate the mind. As long as human beings have desires, those desires will find form in art. Mark my words, when the dust settles, porn will exist. Protesting because you might have to learn new ways to find it is glorified whining. |
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zanarkand princess
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And what exactly are we supposed to do about it? The list was made by one of the ratings board. There are other ones without the ban that companies can go to and this had nothing to do with the other complaints about the rape games. This isn't happening in the west and this affects games that for the most part won't be localized. Go try and tell someone that you are upset about video game porn with little girls and rape being banned. In America or Japan. You're going to get looked at like you're crazy. The vast majority would fully agree with almost all of this and that's why this can be done. |
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