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PetrifiedJello



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PostPosted: Tue Jun 30, 2009 5:56 am Reply with quote
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Whereas the studios used to receive 1.8 million yen (US$19,000) for a 30-minute television episode, now they must make do with only 1.3 million yen (US$14,000).

If true, this (hopefully) will shed some light on why I'm not very fond of distributors as it proves they are calling the shots when it comes to monies changing hands.

This is the most pathetic news I've read in a while. Dwindling DVDs, low salaries, and failed simulcasts don't even come close to this.

I do agree the $120 million should be used for the existing anime industry. It's quite obvious they need it more than tourists do.
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ninjaclown



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PostPosted: Tue Jun 30, 2009 6:32 am Reply with quote
If this media center allows animators a place to learn and practice their craft, then this might not be a complete waste of money.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 30, 2009 6:57 am Reply with quote
According to this, it costs more to dub an anime in the US than it does to create it in Japan. Someone is lying.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 30, 2009 7:22 am Reply with quote
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According to this, it costs more to dub an anime in the US than it does to create it in Japan. Someone is lying.


I dony yhink so, look at how much the car industry payed their lines and you'll see.


The 'Museum' it's a good idea in the far future, first they have to reorganize the industry before it goes down the hill due to piracy.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 30, 2009 7:41 am Reply with quote
Yeah that number is amazingly low but that is what they are getting to show it in Japan not anything that could be "extra" like distribution to other markets.

The only way you can think that it's the distributors (and thus making this situation sadder) is if thye licensed it earlier and the majority or all of the money they are receiving is from the liciensing. But we just know the number and the fact that licensing normally goes to the studio but actual percentages and brea down? Not so much.
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and he could not marry even if he had a girlfriend.

Hmm... I work part-time at minimum wage and I make more than him.
Putting all this into perspective really shows how deep the situation has worsened. I'm really concerned how the industry over there is really going to hold up by the Fall 'cause right now I don't see it having any legs to support itself.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 30, 2009 9:39 am Reply with quote
Rolando_jose wrote:
The 'Museum' it's a good idea in the far future, first they have to reorganize the industry before it goes down the hill due to piracy.


You actually think piracy is a primary culprit in the dwindling success of Japan's anime industry? Yeah, surely it's not their inefficient DVD distribution/sales system, mass proliferation of low quality shows with minimal returns (the Gonzo Effect), and complete dependence on otaku wallets during an increasingly grim economic climate... Right? Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 30, 2009 9:54 am Reply with quote
can someone explain to me what a 'bufget' is? I'm a little confused.

general douchebaggery aside: i don't think forcing studios to hire more help is the answer but I also don't think a museum perserving some original art from the medium is a bad thing.

i want to say if japan's collective animators get off the toilet and make something better than 'Sky Witches' they'd do better...however fanservice shows are what they sell best and the once lucrative American market is now niche and not worth catering to anymore.




fawhooosh!
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RebirthedDuelist



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PostPosted: Tue Jun 30, 2009 10:56 am Reply with quote
really this is what i think, a "hall of fame" wont do any good, no matter how good the quality of the anime or manga, it'll be forgotten except by the people who remember it when it was released. i comepletely agree with FlamingPinecone.
if the animators work on something a lil better maybe it'll become a success.
of course ninjaclown proves a somewhat good point. a school to learn how to draw manga and anime, well, lets see duel academy in yu gi oh gx? a school devoted to learning to play a card game...the public aint gonna take it, they don't want their tax money used on that, but he does prove a point, it probaly wont be a waste of money. young drawers will probaly do their best efforts to join that school. thus bringing in new ideas, which might lead to good anime like lucky star. or lead to crap.
bleuster is also right, the anime industry doesnt look well. if there was a decent voice cast for english dub like in full metal panic, it'll be better. if they waste money on making a anime like yu yu hakusho and dubbed it with a cast and change it to appeal to lil kids, it'll be crap, just stick to what was written and it'll be fine. 4kids probaly waste money on yu gioh by "americanizing" it till its bullshit. now if it left it alone, and made for more of a teen show, it'll be way better. plus it'll be cheaper then paying for a new set of scripts to replace the original.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 30, 2009 11:27 am Reply with quote
Dargonxtc wrote:
According to this, it costs more to dub an anime in the US than it does to create it in Japan. Someone is lying.


This figure is likely the part of the budget that goes to the actual animation itself. (and may not even include outsourced work like inbetweening)

So the voice acting, editing, PR, distribution, and production costs are not included. A usual budget for an episode of anime is between $30K and $100K lately, by most accounts, so that would imply that the actual animation is maybe 20-35 percent of the show's budget. Still seems a bit low, but it's somewhat more reasonable.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 30, 2009 11:55 am Reply with quote
FlamingPinecone wrote:
the once lucrative American market is now niche and not worth catering to anymore.


Well, There's always the European and Latin American markets, anyways...
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 30, 2009 12:16 pm Reply with quote
luisedgarf wrote:
FlamingPinecone wrote:
the once lucrative American market is now niche and not worth catering to anymore.


Well, There's always the European and Latin American markets, anyways...


european, definatly, latin american, maybe.
i hardly knew any one from mexico that watched anime, except if it was DBZ or Pokemon, but i did knew this Brazilian girl that watched some Hell Girl.
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The Goron Marshall



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PostPosted: Tue Jun 30, 2009 1:17 pm Reply with quote
ninjaclown wrote:
If this media center allows animators a place to learn and practice their craft, then this might not be a complete waste of money.


Yeah, but we have no idea what the classes are going to be like. For all we know, they may be comparable to private schools where you sometimes have to go through a lot just to get in. Or perhaps the classes will cause more harm than good.
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dizzywulf



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PostPosted: Tue Jun 30, 2009 3:23 pm Reply with quote
Seriously. The anime industry is really hurting. Just give the money to the companies and the animators, and find out how they can really make some reforms to the industry.
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Greed1914



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PostPosted: Tue Jun 30, 2009 3:26 pm Reply with quote
Yoshikazu was quoted saying, "totally useless. Anime has the vitality of a weed. I want it to be left alone. And with government support, I worry about potential restrictions being placed on freedom of expression."

I can certainly understand the worry about any government funds carrying restrictions, but at the same time even a weed needs to get some water once in a while. Of course it's possible that they're more concerned with creativity than earning a livable wage, and if that's the case then I admire their devotion.
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