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girlshatebrian



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PostPosted: Wed Jul 15, 2009 10:41 am Reply with quote
my question here is simple. I'll pose it then give a little background...

When did they start showing boobs in mainstream anime rather than just hinting at them?

I was doing a paper on anime and fanservice, and i got to Code Geass and all these teenage girls and main characters are topless. This isn't a hentai or a mindless fan service show, it's a pretty deep and high quality show. Their target audience seems to be teens but usually unless it's a specifically fan service show or just straight hentai you never actually see boobs, just side boob, or a someone's arm hiding them. Yet here's a seemingly mainstream and great show just throwing them out there left and right. Then i get to Mmseynmene(sp?) and that OVA is just boobs left and right and almost, just almost, too much.

Now I've seen all the classic anime series and I've seen some excellent recent ones but by no means am i an authority on anime. Lately I've been all over Full Metal Alchemist Brotherhood but I really don't have a pulse on current anime. Are all of them showing boobs? and was there ever a distinction made in Japan that maybe this isn't your run of the mill occurrence. When did actual nudity start showing up in mainstream anime instead of suggested nudity or fanservice silliness.

I need some experts to weigh in on the subject. What was the first anime (including the darker toned ones) to show nudity rather than suggested nudity. Even as a joke the earliest stuff you can remember would be great and recent stuff. Also was it a high quality show or was it there just to show boobs, how out of their way did they go to show the boobs? give me the full details. I know Japanese culture allows a lot more perverted stuff than ours but when did it become commonplace for a quality anime to be able to show everything or anything?

Experts please chime in...
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 15, 2009 10:50 am Reply with quote
There have boobs in anime for quite some time. The first one I remember is Ranma 1/2 which was released in America in the 90's. Course they are plenty of anime without boobs but I don't know that it's any more prevalent than it used to be.

One thing that you have to remember is that the Japanese and other countries, mostly Europe, are more accepting of casual nudity. It's us Americans who are hung up on breast exposure and the like. Personally, it doesn't bother me at all. Not all nudity is sexual.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 15, 2009 2:04 pm Reply with quote
girlshatebrian, you should probably clarify whether you're talking about exposed frontal nudity or just an emphasis on breasts. I can confirm that non-hentai OVAs have been including the former since at least the mid-80s, and I'm pretty sure that dates back to at least the early '80s, if not earlier.

As a related point, the "jiggle factor" so common in depicting anime girls/women these days was first introduced to anime by the first episode of the 1988 OVA Gunbuster; thank Gainax for that.
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Zin5ki



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PostPosted: Wed Jul 15, 2009 5:42 pm Reply with quote
girlshatebrian wrote:
I need some experts to weigh in on the subject. What was the first anime (including the darker toned ones) to show nudity rather than suggested nudity. Even as a joke the earliest stuff you can remember would be great and recent stuff. Also was it a high quality show or was it there just to show boobs, how out of their way did they go to show the boobs? give me the full details.

In the first incarnation of Gundam I remember a female character being briefly depicted topless within a bathroom. A male character is called in to fix a leaking faucet, and he happens to accidentally glance upon her. Nothing much results of this.

Also, topless posters, seen at an angle and from a distance, are present in one scene of Macross.

Though the nudity was of no significance to the narrative in both cases, it is present in a manner as incidental as it would be in real life, and presumably included with minimal desire to titillate. It could have been omitted, yet is included without the means of any contrived devices. Compare this to later anime in which impractical costume designs may be donned by main characters chiefly for their sexual appeal.

Naturally, I expect older cases to exist, but I wouldn't expect the nudity to be to of a more explicit degree.

rinmackie wrote:
...and other countries, mostly Europe, are more accepting of casual nudity.

That, I proclaim, is true.
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Bitter Almonds



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PostPosted: Wed Jul 15, 2009 9:36 pm Reply with quote
I vaguely remember an episode of Laserion where the main character was looking at a girly mag's centerfold and imagines the girl to be his female friend RazzMazinger Z might've shown brief male and female nudity here and there (of the two sidekick guys and the girl who piloted Aphrodite) in a joking fashion as well, but I can't remember THAT far back anymore!

There is also Dr. Slump and Dragon Ball.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 15, 2009 9:48 pm Reply with quote
The oldest instance I'm aware of is Cutey Honey, which created the "nude flash" transformations that show up in pretty much every magical girl show nowadays, and apparently was a factor behind the show's popularity.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 16, 2009 4:15 am Reply with quote
Way back in Lupin III? Started back in the 70s when stuff like that was out.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 16, 2009 4:39 am Reply with quote
I recall that in at least one episode of Ranma 1/2, girl-Ranma (I think Shampoo had done something to prevent him from changing back to a boy at that point) had her top ripped off during a fight of some kind with Mousse, I believe it was, in the first or second season. No nipples, but definitely boobies.
Mink at the end of the second episode of Dragon Half forgets that she's covering herself because her top got destroyed and throws her arms up to cheer "Banzai" at her victory.
Minmay's shower scene in Macross: Do You Remember Love?
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The King of Harts



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PostPosted: Thu Jul 16, 2009 5:11 am Reply with quote
I remember in the first episode of Urusei Yatusra ('83) you see Lum's breast, nipples and all, after Ataru pulls off her bikini top. I only saw a couple more episodes after that so I don't how many more times it happened. The show is 196 episodes so their could have been more.




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Sidhardha



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PostPosted: Thu Jul 16, 2009 6:16 am Reply with quote
Nudity was even in oldest animes i seen. Does the OP maybe mean not just a nudity, but the overal Eechi orientations of anime titles?

Due to the list http://en.wikipedia.org/​wiki/​List_of_ecchi_anime first majorly eechi orientated Animes appeared somewhere in 1992 - though there sure where some before.

But its seen that after 2000 there was a great rise in numbers of such animes produced, more with each year.

So, for a breaking date i´d say it would be year 1995 - Tenchi Muyo 1997 - release of Agent Aike and Knights of Lamune. And later in 2000 with Love Hina, Eiken, Mouse e.t.c. after wich eechi and nudity became quit common in mainstream anime.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 16, 2009 8:03 am Reply with quote
Well, you might want to clarify exactly *what* kind of nudity you mean, because in anime there's all kinds of nudity to be found.
This goes from toddlers to grandmas and a lot of it is casual.

A few examples:
Tetsuro from Galaxy Express (1979) can be seen quite often in the nude. There is one particular episode, where his and Maetel's clothes are stolen and he fights the thief completely in the buff.
In the Patlabor TV series (1989) there's an episode which has the male cast investigating a criminal at a public bath. Consequently you can see all their butts.
In Fushigi na Melmo (1971) the heroine can transform into an adult version of herself or an animal. When she transforms back she often ends up completely nude. In the same series she also tries to breast feed her baby brother.
In Tatsu no Ko Taro (1979) the main character, a boy of about 10 years, doesn't wear any underwear, but does handstands quiet frequently, so you get to see either his butt or lil Taro quiet a few times. I think it was also this one, that featured a granny whose breasts always "fell" out of her dress...

As for naked boobs as in fan-service:
The oldest anime with nudity, lots of nudity, I have actually seen is Osamu Tezuka's 1001 Nights from 1969.

But there was a show called Sennin Buraku in 1963, which was based on a popular adult manga. It's creator was famous in his days for his well-built femmes and in 1970 he designed the characters for Tezuka's boobs-heavy Cleopatra. So chances are that this show features quite some nudity.

Of course it wasn't until the advent of the OVA in 1984 that fan service really exploded and shower scenes became mandatory for female characters. The first hentai OVAs also came out around this time.

PS: Oh yeah, and since the 21st century the boobs just seem to get bigger and bigger, don't they? Laughing
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 16, 2009 8:49 am Reply with quote
girlshatebrian wrote:
When did they start showing boobs in mainstream anime rather than just hinting at them?

I must be ordering the wrong series, as most of my collection is "boobless". Only two series I own, that I can recall, actually have full frontal nudity.

Most of the other series will hint or show side shots, but I don't consider this "nudity". Kind of like seeing a girl in a shower. Rear end shots, but nothing else.

Personally, I could care less if nudity's in or out. I don't think it adds or takes away anything from the show. Most "skinless" shots are where they're supposed to be (bath scenes, bedroom changing, etc.). Gratuitous nudity isn't offered as much as the pantsu shots, which seem to make those "fan service" fans cry in happiness.

Then again, I'm not your typical anime viewer, either. I don't put as much criticism in the series for nudity (moe, fan service, pantsu, etc.) as most here do.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 16, 2009 9:31 am Reply with quote
Key wrote:
As a related point, the "jiggle factor" so common in depicting anime girls/women these days was first introduced to anime by the first episode of the 1988 OVA Gunbuster; thank Gainax for that.


Alright, everyone now - 1, 2, 3 "Thank You Gainax!!!"

I'll do my best DJ Lance from Yo Gabba Gabba "Nudity is AWESOMMMME!"

When Yamato was adapted to become Star Blazers the editors left out nudity featuring Yuki/Nova who was often sexually harassed by horndog-bot Analyzer/IQ-9.

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In the first incarnation of Gundam I remember a female character being briefly depicted topless within a bathroom. A male character is called in to fix a leaking faucet, and he happens to accidentally glance upon her. Nothing much results of this.


Yup, Fraw Bow was washing Kika & the kids & was walked in on by Amuro Embarassed The boys (Katz & Letz) were also nude Shin Chan-style...

One thing I have noticed is that male frontal nudity in anime pretty much ends with little boys showing "Mr. Elephant".

The Japanese still have their quirks regarding nudity as well, they are far more relaxed in showing breasts & the backside but even in Japanese live-action porn they blur out the "uglies"... IIRC they have some kind of taboo about showing pubic hair?
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Dudley



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PostPosted: Thu Jul 16, 2009 10:39 am Reply with quote
B-503_MIA wrote:

The Japanese still have their quirks regarding nudity as well, they are far more relaxed in showing breasts & the backside but even in Japanese live-action porn they blur out the "uglies"... IIRC they have some kind of taboo about showing pubic hair?


It was forbidden to show pubic hair for a pretty long time. Don't know when they got rid of that law, must've been around the turn of the century. But, frankly, pubic hair on anime characters often looks ridiculous! Laughing
Showing genitals, however, is still forbidden - adults' genitals, anyway. That's why they blur the private parts in porn. Or sometimes they draw black balls over... well, the balls.
Kids genitals aren't. That's why we all can enjoy Shin-chan doing the Baby Elephant Walk! Wink
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 16, 2009 3:44 pm Reply with quote
The King of Harts wrote:
I remember in the first episode of Urusei Yatusra ('83) you see Lum's breast, nipples and all, after Ataru pulls it off.

Since I don't think that was a guro anime, you might want to rephrase that :p
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