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Brass2TheMax
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One more reply for clarification:
Even if they didn't use a missile, who's to say they couldn't get hold of another plane and kamikaze into the awards? Who's to say they couldn't have someone attending the awards (although unlikely but not impossible) walk in and blow themselves up? Or plant a bomb somewhere in the place? There are so many other possibilities, and none of them could be known about for sure... Only until they actually happen. Uncertainty could have well been his reason for not going coupled with other things. And it's perfectly acceptable to me. |
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Ryo Hazuki
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Miyazaki isn't the first or last respected director to boycott American events with the same reasons. |
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Lemoncookies23
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[sigh] I don't feel like debating this dude. Take your polemicism somewhere else. |
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gatotsu911
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Sorry, but disapproving of a country's political actions is a stupid reason to not go to a bloody awards ceremony. And considering that virtually every person at the Oscars is among the most left-wing of liberals, it's pretty much preaching to the choir.
It's pretty much equivalent to some award-winning author or filmmaker refusing to go to Japan because of the Rapelay scandal, or something. It's not making a statement, especially if it's directed at people who agree with your position to begin with; it's actually just being an asshat. |
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KabaKabaFruit
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Not possible considering that after 9/11, every airport and public facility had their security increased dramatically. The Oscars were no exception. Uncertainty would be the only valid reason in this case although I severely doubt that such an event would've happened. |
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jsyxx
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Oh yes, pointing out you being ignorant of cold hard facts is polemicising. How about not entering a debate unless you know what you're talking about? You may as well been debating the civil war and had said George Washington won the Battle of Gettysburg. Last edited by jsyxx on Sun Jul 26, 2009 2:16 pm; edited 1 time in total |
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jsyxx
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Doesn't make you an asshat if the majority of Japanese supported Rapelay. And I like how all of you are suddenly acting like the Oscars aren't a popularity contest sham anyways. But that's what happens when shallow-minded people are faced with something that conflicts with their nationalistic tendencies. Also a war that happened 60 years ago under a completely different governmental system isn't as relevant as one that happened 6 weeks ago. I'm sorry, folks. Last edited by jsyxx on Sat Jul 25, 2009 3:22 pm; edited 1 time in total |
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mufurc
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For chrissakes, it's not like Miyazaki is the first person, not even the first director, to boycott an American awards ceremony because he doesn't agree with American policies on some issue. Or is it okay when Americans do it but when foreigners decide to make a statement this way they're childish asshats?
 It's sort of baffling to see so many people getting offended by this. Christ.
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hikaru004
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In retrospect, he tried to sound like a matyr in 2003 when no one knew the reason. It's now 2009 and people aren't so naive. If you accept our money and award, then don't make it sound like you're being forced even now to come to our country. It was his decision to come here in 2009 and his decision to accept the award in 2003. The con could have existed without him and will exist next year without him. The PONYO panel could have existed without him with modifications. He is not an essential entity for fandom imo. If his attitude doesn't change, he needs to stay home imo. Con goers shouldn't have to pay for someone like this imo. Last edited by hikaru004 on Sat Jul 25, 2009 3:33 pm; edited 1 time in total |
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The_X_box_360
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However, going so far as to equate the Bush administration's relationship with Americans/United States to the same level as Al Qaeda's relationship with Muslims/Islamic Nations can also be considered a very childish stance to take. One might even say that acting in that manner isn't doing anyone any favors, and is just idiotic. I, also, feel that Miyazaki acted in poor form, but he's entitled to his own beliefs. He's, certainly, not in any way obligated to compromise his integrity or dignity simply because we've supported his creations. Not that it matters, but, even upon dissecting the specifics of the 2003 America issue, all credible polling data still suggests that the majority of American citizens wholeheartedly supported Bush's campaign in Iraq "at that time". -Whether we did it blindly, mistakenly, or simply because we were still bloodthirsty for Muslim blood is of little relevance. -We (the majority), always had the right to choose to support or not, and all of the info about the decisions to invade Iraq, that sickens many of us today, was reported on (however quietly) back then and available to any American that wanted to make an "informed" decision (which, apparently, only included a small minority of americans, at that time). -This being said, any foreigner would be well within their moral rights to make such a decision as Miyazaki, in my opinion. However, I still do think he acted in poor form..... Sorry, if my post comes of a bit harsh. It's not my intention. *By the way, just to be clear, I was against the Iraq War, even before it started. I have always felt that the sad events of 9/11 were, shamelessly, used to wage a war in Iraq that Bush had always planned on, even before his administration began. Last edited by The_X_box_360 on Sat Jul 25, 2009 3:48 pm; edited 5 times in total |
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Kyogissun
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I was trying to think of a good way to say this, but you did a good job of it. More importantly, who cares what he has to say? So he's worked on award winning films... doesn't make him like some god that needs to be respected for everything he says. I mean when you put all that movie making stuff aside, granted very few animated films compare to his studio's works, he's just a human being like the rest of us. |
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penguintruth
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Wow. Congratulations, you've just managed to post the stupidest thing I've ever read in my fifteen years on the internet. And I frequent 4chan. The Iraq War was going on right then. Imagine how utterly imbecilic it would be to protest something that happened more than forty years ago. And while a fraction of Japanese deny war crimes, it's no more than the horrible atrocities denied by governments and people all over the world, including the Chinese. Unless you have proof that anybody here is denying those things, you're just trying to pick a fight. And what the hell are we doing continuing to argue about this? Where is this "Duhr, Miyazaki says stupid things all the time, I'm constantly at odds with his views" crap coming from? Does nobody know how to debate? None of you have even brought up any actual statements of his from the past, you're just parroting other people. ANN should be above the level of slackwit image boards. To make this big a deal out of, frankly, sort of a side note, is f'ing ponderous. |
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remember love
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Well, I got to say is I respect his work as one of the finest. Most of his films has been in my top list for many years and probably more to come with how the anime market has really down graded.
It's his right to refuse or accept any award based on whatever decision. He's not the first director/actor/artist/etc... that has made political statements in such matters. However, his statement more or less is too generalized. It's basically saying the entire country is for the war. I at least respect his decision, he does seem like a man of morals for that statement but in my opinion miss guided. To not accept an award on his work from people who respect him and who have no control on the bombing is ,sorry to say, dumb. It will not solve/help/contribute/etc.. to anything and will only make him look bad in the long run for not being supportive to the academy and what the academy is about. |
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Kalili
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Oh boo hoo. I wonder how he feels about his own countrymen raping and murdering thousands of Chinese villagers in world war II, or how about the death marches and torturing of civilian detainees by Japanese troops. Him making a statement like that as if all Americans are for the war would be the same as saying all Japanese supported atrocities in their past wars.
Whatever. |
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Tuor_of_Gondolin
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You guys do know that the US boycotted the Olympics after the Soviets invaded Afghanistan, right?
Furthermore, the idea that there was nothing we could do about our invasion of Iraq is hogwash. We are the most open democracy in the world. We *could* have forced our legislature to impeach Bush or to refuse to provide funding or many other things. We didn't. Instead, we re-elected him. There IS NO DIFFERENCE between us and the government: of the people, by the people, for the people. And if that's not true, then WE are to blame. Quit trying to pass the buck. As far as Miyazaki's decision not to attend the 2003 Oscars. I thought that we were Americans. I thought that we respected people's right to make their own decisions, particularly their own political decisions. Heck, that's what the 1st Amendment is all about. Instead we call it childish, because it flew in the face of our own political leanings? Pathetic. Even if I disagreed with his stance on our invasion (which I do not), as an American I am HAPPY that he took a stance on his own. Furthermore, he was discreet about it: he wasn't giving speeches or forming marches or engaging in civil disobedience; he simply chose not to come. A personal decision and a personal solution. I approve. Ultimately, this whole thing is a tempest in a teacup. Miyazaki barely shows up on the radar in mainstream American thought. He doesn't seem to have acted as a means of changing us, but rather of remaining true to his own beliefs, which again, as an American, I fully endorse. |
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There was only a recount in the first election. He won the second one after the Iraq war with a clean majority. Most voting Americans supported this war up untill 2006. I really hope you're not American, because your lack of basic knowledge of this country is extremely embarrassing. 
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