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Dargonxtc
 Posts: 4463 Location: Nc5xd7+ スターダストの海洋 |
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I did too! I about lost it there at the end as a result.  And then I realized I was being retarded. 
Really good show this time. There is so much I want to respond to that I don't know where to start. In fact, after a long days work I don't think I can. Or at least make sense. I will say I hope dubs stick around for the long run. I don't think the industry will have very much promise without them. With the quality of dubs these days generally being good, I would hate to see them disappear from my favorite visual medium. I wonder if I should send in pictures of my collection to companies. I do have a suggestion for the podcast though. Can you make the flash player a bit longer? See, having an index is great. But having such a small space represent 40+ minutes it is hard to jump around without basically cutting something off, or having to still listen to 35 seconds of something you don't. Having a longer face on the player will allow for more precise jumping. Like for instance, when you want to skip a great, but thoroughly annoying classic clip. Anyway, not a big deal but just wanted to throw that out there. |
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Gewürtztraminer
 Posts: 1028 Location: Texas - Its like whole other country. |
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It will always be something. DRM, font color, translation, karoke, etc. The truth is: no intention of buying ever for a wide swath of "fans". How can a company compete with free? On the dub issue: I love a good dub, recently, Lucky Star, Beck, and the Air Movie for me. Even Magikano was saved by the dub for me. Strangely, all of which probably should have never been dubbed to start with in the current market. Tough times, I will buy what I like, regardless of language and hope for the best. |
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AnimenexuS
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What was the name of the last anime she like?
in the podcast |
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penguintruth
 Posts: 8459 Location: Penguinopolis |
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Anime fans are so fickle. They complain about the English language dubs when they get them, and complain when they don't.
You know, the pool of voice talent for the Japanese dubs isn't a whole lot deeper than the English dubs. If people want dubs to have more variety in VAs, they should buy the product. This vicious cycle starts when people don't buy anime DVDs because they dislike dubs, then they can't afford to make dubs with more VAs, so people complain there isn't enough variety in the voices. A good dub isn't usually that important to me, but it may be the difference between buying a bilingual disc right away or waiting for later until it's in cheap boxset form. It helps a bit for an anime to have at least a decent dub. Bilingual discs are great, but if the dub isn't good at all, it makes you long for a cheaper, sub-only disc. Good cast. My favorite moment of the episode is when Stephanie Sheh says, "Eureka (EWREKA)... you know, Eureka (UR-EEKA)." We're all still scratching our heads over how to pronounce that. |
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poonk
 Posts: 1490 Location: In the Library with Philip |
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I'd just like to chime in that I thoroughly enjoyed this (as well as the previous few) podcasts. Even if I haven't seen the title(s) in question (which seems to be more often than not) I quite enjoy hearing intelligent, witty folks converse, especially about subjects in which I like to think I am somewhat peripherally knowledgeable.
P.S. Cake is definitely much preferred to pie on my part. There's something too-condensed/"squishy" about pie that I've never cared for... |
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larinon
 Posts: 992 Location: Midland, TX |
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Just a quick technical comment.
I noticed that both podcasts you've released have been encoded at 128 kbps. If that's a conscious choice, that's fine, because it sounds good. But at the same time, if bandwidth is an issue, most/all of the other podcasts I listen to are encoded in the 40-64 kbps range, some even at 32 kbps (espn), and they don't sound bad either. Since it's just voice and not music that you're recording, the higher bit rates are not as necessary. Anyway, just a thought. Some voices actually sound better at lower bit rates, too. Also, y'all are way behind on cake vs. pie. Those guys even have t-shirts. |
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gatotsu911
Posts: 457 Location: US of East Coast |
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I'm shocked that any discussion of "great anime directors other than Miyazaki or Oshii" could go by without including Hideaki Anno, Satoshi Kon, or Katsuhiro Otomo. At least ONE of them deserves mention whenever that category is brought up.
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Charred Knight
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To quote Barney Frank talking to you would be like talking to a dining Room table I have no interest in doing so. |
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Shale
Posts: 337 Location: The Middle of Nowhere, DE |
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To play devil's advocate for a moment, what changes, in a practical sense, in that scenario? Pirated copies of licensed shows would be freely available all over the Internet, but pirated copies of licensed shows are already freely available all over the Internet. People would download the illegal copies instead of buying legit ones, but that's not exactly unheard-of now, either. So what difference does it make whether they're downloading fansubs and DVD rips versus official digital releases? They're not physical goods - the company doesn't have to produce a new file to replace one that gets stolen. The only question is whether the people who currently buy DVDs would be willing to buy digitally instead. |
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HeeroTX
Posts: 2046 Location: Austin, TX |
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Not to be an ass, but to argue the point:
"If every anime convention attendee bought 1 DVD (presumably, per year?) everything would be fine" Anime Expo attendance was around 45,000, Otakon was around 25,000, let's add a few between the two and call those 72,000 combined. the rest of the top 10 in North America crested 10,000 to various degrees (8 cons) let's call that 100,000 people. Tack on a con every week (52) at about 2,000 per for another 104,000 (some do significantly better than that, some do only some hundred so let's call that an ok ballpark). 104,000+100,000+72,000 = 276,000. Let's call it 300,000 just to have a nice round figure (and include some outliers). In 2006 (easily found number) anime releases numbered just over 600, it was estimated to be around 500 for 2007 according to this: animenewsnetwork.com/convention/2007/nyaf-icv2/icv2/whitepaper Let's cut that in HALF to 250: 300,000 / 250 = 1200 people per DVD. (which is way below the needed threshold, eh?) Now, that ASSUMES that all the people at "anime" cons (which are now pushing more for promoting BANDS and video games and "Raves" and cosplay over "anime", a trend that I do NOT like) are anime fans, which I (as a once & future con director) do not believe. But even if so, the math simply doesn't work. And I point this out because I (respectfully) think that people like Ms. Sheh STILL aren't reading this market right. This is why you market and sell to the NICHE and then build the niche. I'm sorry, but the fad ran it's course and thinking anime is going to return that "printing money, tamagotchi in the mainstream" thing is wrong-headed. EDIT: I also want to add, PURELY AS AN OPINION, many of the "fans at voice actor panels" are not as much "anime fans" as they are "groupies". I can't PROVE that per se, but try sitting the Japanese director, character designer and other "staff" for most any anime (mangaka on a FEW exceptions would be otherwise) at a table next to American voice actors and watch what happens. If you don't even pay any attention to the (non-voice) staff of an anime, I don't see how you're a "fan" of it. If you only care about the VA, you're a fan of the VA. |
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KoujiTamino
 Posts: 163 Location: Tacoma, WA, USA |
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There are still plenty of people who prefer physical media and would drop anime completely if the only option was digital distribution. While there are people that watch fansubs to preview a series, there are people that further still want to own an 'officially sanctioned' physical copy once it's been licensed. So in addition to losing many of those customers, they'd have to deal with the people who download the free pirated stuff instead of paying for the official releases. |
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pparker
 Posts: 1185 Location: Florida |
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Now I recall hearing that point before, but you put it very well. And I agree. Any digital technology can be broken or bypassed eventually, or if it can't be broken, it's going to be too complex to legally and cost-effectively deploy into a complex, constantly changing global market of formats and devices. The fundamental problem is that it, like most law, penalizes all non-offenders in order to try and stop the 5% who don't care about your law anyway. DRM has caused far more cost and trouble than it's ever been worth because it nearly always prevents people from using in legal ways the content they purchased, either now on or on next year's new device, and for that reason has been dropped in nearly every case by major music publishers. It's a bit more feasible for larger file sizes like DVD/BD. But in my travels on the Net, I don't recall hearing about any DVD or BD that can't be downloaded illegally in its original content form today. Gaming has had good success controlling content, but not complete, and god forbid the producer/distributor of your favorite game goes out of business. Your new single-player game is over without a server somewhere to talk to now. The problem will only worsen the longer digital content is withheld from honest customers. The Millenium generation has already reached maturity as the first digital generation, and the next is right on their heels. But the majority of the population in technologically advanced countries in fact are still not savvy enough to steal their DVDs digitally even if they thought to do so. Waiting, while the percentage of savvy users, and more importantly users brought up on "free" content, increases is going to make it just that much more difficult for producers. Because in the end the solution is not likely to be technical, but social. Music has learned that, and it's almost certainly a lesson that video will have to learn as well. The reason 30+ year olds aren't the problem with piracy isn't just because they don't know how to do it, it's because they were brought up on paying for what you get. Point being... keep selling nice boxes of DVDs to those who want them, but right now start selling the best version possible in digital format to as many as will buy it. Get a trend going of paying for it instead of stealing it, and get that ingrained into the next generation and into the culture as soon as possible. |
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Mohawk52
 Posts: 8202 Location: England, UK |
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If Dvd's went the way of the Betacam, and later VHS tape and the only way I could see it legally was via digital downloading. I would lament it's passing, but then buy the down load if 1) had hybrid tracks, and 2) I could then burn it to a disc for archiving. Last edited by Mohawk52 on Sat Aug 22, 2009 2:10 pm; edited 1 time in total |
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Tenchi
 Posts: 4469 Location: Ottawa... now I'm an ex-Anglo Montrealer. |
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In my case, and I spend hundreds of dollars on anime DVD's a year, hell no. The existence of legal digital alternatives (which I have nothing against as long as they're not the only option) in no way makes wanting to own a physical copy any less desirable, and "burning it yourself at home" just isn't as nice. I'm guessing that, if the industry ever went primarily download-only, the way to appease us physical media die-hards would be that there would be some kind of on-demand DVD/BD burning service where you'd make an order and the Right Stuf, or whomever has the replicating equipment, would burn a copy for you with commercial-quality labels and packaging. I'd accept something like that if that was the only way to get a legal physical copy without importing directly from Japan, though I'd still rather support my local bricks-and-mortar anime retail store. |
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Quark
 Posts: 710 Location: British Columbia, Canada |
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That idea is kind of cool - having the packaging being optional, and available to those who want to spend the extra money to get it. The idea of the industry going download-only scares me (sorry for being over dramatic) as I have absolutely no interest in watching computer files for all my anime. It's just too much of a hassle, because essentially I'd have to hook a computer up to every TV in the house in order to watch something. I spend a good chunk of money on anime, at the very least $500 a year (probably way more though) and believe strongly in supporting the industry, however, if they went download-only...well, let's say that I'd be saving a lot of money. |
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. But just keep blaming us fans instead of giving us what we want if it makes you sleep better at night.  |
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