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Ashen Phoenix



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PostPosted: Thu Nov 01, 2012 2:52 pm Reply with quote
Absolutely cannot wait to see this. Plot sounds interesting, the character designs are cute, the music is nice, and the animation is nothing short of gorgeous.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 01, 2012 5:10 pm Reply with quote
The longer the promos get the better this movie looks. Laughing

I hope we see this stateside but I have a feeling we won't.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 01, 2012 5:27 pm Reply with quote
Well the reviews from "Scotland loves anime " are pretty bad so I am not having my hopes up.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 01, 2012 5:47 pm Reply with quote
Yeah, as one of those people who saw the film in Edinburgh, I'd suggest you don't get your hopes up. In fact, I'd recommend you don't bother wasting your time watching this awful film, but I doubt this'll stop most people.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 01, 2012 7:33 pm Reply with quote
Looks like Anime Cliches: The Movie.
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BlackJaded



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PostPosted: Thu Nov 01, 2012 8:04 pm Reply with quote
lizardking461 wrote:
Yeah, as one of those people who saw the film in Edinburgh, I'd suggest you don't get your hopes up. In fact, I'd recommend you don't bother wasting your time watching this awful film, but I doubt this'll stop most people.


How bad is it Surprised
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 01, 2012 10:48 pm Reply with quote
Okay, the trailer looked awesome... At the beginning. Fantastic animation, touching acting (I don't speak a whole lot of Japanese, So Judging on how they acted I could tell it was really serious), But half way though it turned into something like a magic show. I never read the Novels so I wasn't sure what to expect. From the beginning I saw "5 centimeters a second" and near the end it turned into Madoka Magica (Without the Magic Girls, and all that) I still might give this a look if it ever made it over seas, but the last half was kinda a buzz kill.
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lizardking461



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PostPosted: Fri Nov 02, 2012 10:44 am Reply with quote
BlackJaded wrote:


How bad is it Surprised


Well I wrote a review on MAL giving it a 4. Incoherent and poorly fleshed out plot, too much focus on the pretty scenery to the extent that it becomes banal, similar issues with the over-repetitiveness of the soundtrack, effectively just a series of awkward teenage encounters and confessions...

Basically, if you like looking at pointlessly pretty things for 90 minutes, then you'll like this film. Otherwise, it's unlikely.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 02, 2012 1:55 pm Reply with quote
Honestly, it's not that bad a movie. It's certainly a pretty interesting one, at least.

The short of it is that it's a movie created for an audience which has had access to over half a dozen different versions of this story before - it's less an adaptation of the original story than it is a sequel using the same framework as the original.

Whilst this sounds like it'd put it in the same category as The Girl Whol Leapt Through Time, the difference is that NeraGaku doesn't expect the audience to be going into it fresh. It expects you to know things about the events of the original story, who certain characters are ahead of time, and what certain character motivations are, and it makes no consideration for those who don't know these things ahead of time. The thing is that a lot of the information that is actually referencing the prior work, partly due to the genres in which the movie plays, comes across as some kind of mystery or part of this movies specific storyline to those who don't know any better.

It's mostly fine - the first 2/3rds of the movie are actually pretty great. The problem is that the last third, where the movies SF elements start to take over from the more romantic comedy elements of the work, becomes incredibly muddled and confusing. A lot of the problem is that those of us who saw the movie in Scotland, who aren't Japanese and haven't been raised with this story, had no idea what we were supposed to mentally discard as known information, and what was actually relevant to the conclusion. This results in the belief that there are a lot of plotholes or red herrings in the events of the movie which aren't actually there, and obscures what actually appears to be a very simply story beneath layers of confusion.

To add to the confusion, It also deliberately subverts many of the events of the original story - characters hook up with different characters to who they did in the novel, and situations are sometimes resolved with what seem like bizarre non-sequitors - in an attempt to keep things interesting for a Japanese audience familiar with the original.

This is kind of the problem with most of us who saw the movie in Scotland judging it. On the one hand, most of the complaints are perfectly valid as far a Western audience goes - it will be a beautiful, but massively incoherent at it's conclusion, mess. Even though I think some of the commentary has been a little hyperbolic and harsh, most of the negative reviews are entirely valid in what they are complaining about.

On the other hand, being that it's technically a sequel, I'd kind of like to say it'd be like trying to judge the last Lord of the Rings film without any prior contact with the franchise, but it's not like they are actually advertising NeraGaku as a sequel, and it's not like I'm Japanese or hugely familiar with the original, so I may be cutting it too much slack.

Saying that, I do think the main storyline of the movie came across muddled and unclear regardless, particularly the climax (though I thought the ending - both the part before the credits, and the bit afterwards which half the audience missed - was fine). Unfortunately, everything I know about the original work I've learnt after seeing the movie, though. I'm really looking forward to seeing the movie again in order to try and properly parse what is going on with the benefit of the additional information I now possess.

(It's also pretty freaking funny, if, admittedly, in a somewhat forced Key-esque kind of fashion).
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BlackJaded



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PostPosted: Sun Nov 04, 2012 12:53 pm Reply with quote
DiGiKerot wrote:
Honestly, it's not that bad a movie. It's certainly a pretty interesting one, at least.

The short of it is that it's a movie created for an audience which has had access to over half a dozen different versions of this story before - it's less an adaptation of the original story than it is a sequel using the same framework as the original.

Whilst this sounds like it'd put it in the same category as The Girl Whol Leapt Through Time, the difference is that NeraGaku doesn't expect the audience to be going into it fresh. It expects you to know things about the events of the original story, who certain characters are ahead of time, and what certain character motivations are, and it makes no consideration for those who don't know these things ahead of time. The thing is that a lot of the information that is actually referencing the prior work, partly due to the genres in which the movie plays, comes across as some kind of mystery or part of this movies specific storyline to those who don't know any better.

It's mostly fine - the first 2/3rds of the movie are actually pretty great. The problem is that the last third, where the movies SF elements start to take over from the more romantic comedy elements of the work, becomes incredibly muddled and confusing. A lot of the problem is that those of us who saw the movie in Scotland, who aren't Japanese and haven't been raised with this story, had no idea what we were supposed to mentally discard as known information, and what was actually relevant to the conclusion. This results in the belief that there are a lot of plotholes or red herrings in the events of the movie which aren't actually there, and obscures what actually appears to be a very simply story beneath layers of confusion.

To add to the confusion, It also deliberately subverts many of the events of the original story - characters hook up with different characters to who they did in the novel, and situations are sometimes resolved with what seem like bizarre non-sequitors - in an attempt to keep things interesting for a Japanese audience familiar with the original.

This is kind of the problem with most of us who saw the movie in Scotland judging it. On the one hand, most of the complaints are perfectly valid as far a Western audience goes - it will be a beautiful, but massively incoherent at it's conclusion, mess. Even though I think some of the commentary has been a little hyperbolic and harsh, most of the negative reviews are entirely valid in what they are complaining about.

On the other hand, being that it's technically a sequel, I'd kind of like to say it'd be like trying to judge the last Lord of the Rings film without any prior contact with the franchise, but it's not like they are actually advertising NeraGaku as a sequel, and it's not like I'm Japanese or hugely familiar with the original, so I may be cutting it too much slack.

Saying that, I do think the main storyline of the movie came across muddled and unclear regardless, particularly the climax (though I thought the ending - both the part before the credits, and the bit afterwards which half the audience missed - was fine). Unfortunately, everything I know about the original work I've learnt after seeing the movie, though. I'm really looking forward to seeing the movie again in order to try and properly parse what is going on with the benefit of the additional information I now possess.

(It's also pretty freaking funny, if, admittedly, in a somewhat forced Key-esque kind of fashion).


Thanks, you should have your own blogsite with that analogy
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 05, 2012 10:29 pm Reply with quote
lizardking461 wrote:
Yeah, as one of those people who saw the film in Edinburgh, I'd suggest you don't get your hopes up. In fact, I'd recommend you don't bother wasting your time watching this awful film, but I doubt this'll stop most people.


Mayuyu was warning enough. Laughing
(Y'know what they're hoping for when they add "celebrities.")
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