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NEWS: Producer: Battle Angel Film Planned After Avatar 2

Also adjusted for inflation Avatar was something like the 26th highest grossing movie of all time. Even his Titanic still beats Avatar.

The movie was great. I liked the story even without the visuals. Get off your high horse and stop treating your opinion on a scifi film as the word of god.

It seems as audiences we take comfort in, if not outright need, the confirmation of expectations bestowed on us by Hollywood cinema. We need our characters to be consistent and reliable, and our movies familiar and predictable, while (sometimes to the point of contradiction, as illustrated in the Marley example) bestowing a necessary but cautious dose of change or variation. Perhaps, when our lives change in often startling and unpredictable ways, the dramatic endings and consistency of Hollywood’s emphasis on staying put and staying the same is a comforting and rare place where redundancy and predictability are the norm, and the threat of loss due to major life changes don’t exist. Thank you, Hollywood, for your beautiful and entertaining lies.

If everyone who liked it is "easily impressionable," I will also mention some nerds despise anything that becomes popular becuase of their reclusive nature.

And Avatar comes from 1950's scifi novles, yet they are dumb enough to claim it came from Pochahontas or other things that are equally ridiculous.

And these same people probalby enjoyed The Dark Knight, which has had it's story used about 50,000 other times in similar super hero stories. So yeah I smell hypocrisy.

If you're fine with getting the same thing over and over again with no variation and/or creative imagination, then you'd probably react harshly to criticism of it (as you have).

Its structure is clearly indebted to the White Messiah story, which can be seen in loads of stories where the noble savages' "salvation" comes from the caring white man when they are threatened by his people. There isn't room for argument on this.

]TDK is an elongated crime movie reacting to a post-9/11 world, all told under the guise of a super hero flick, so your comparison is invalid. Nice try, tho', especially considering you implicitly make no distinction between archetypes and stereotypes.

it's a very escapist, pandering fantasy, after all

Avatar 2... god, just the sound of it makes me nauseous with thoughts of ego-stroking and budget-blowing.

Dargonxtc wrote:

Avatar 2? Thanks for the visuals, but try to make the story good this time, okay buddy. Also adjusted for inflation Avatar was something like the 26th highest grossing movie of all time. Even his Titanic still beats Avatar. After I saw Avatar I lost faith in James. Beautiful film. Sucky story. Those people that have been killing themselves over it must be the cheesiest and most easily impressionable people on the planet.

The movie was great. I liked the story even without the visuals. Get off your high horse and stop treating your opinion on a scifi film as the word of god. If everyone who liked it is "easily impressionable," I will also mention some nerds despise anything that becomes popular becuase of their reclusive nature.

Making excuses for why people spent more money on Avatar than previous films still doesn't change the fact it's still number one. You may as well be complaining about why the Saints won the Super Bowl.

Beautiful film. Sucky story.

In any case, it's certainly succeeded at inciting dialogue. Any discussion related to Cameron turns into a fight over Avatar (even when the thread is about seemingly ridiculous Battle Angel news...)

And the point me and J-Syxx were making is that its just incredibly hypocritical to see that kind of sentiment coming from an Otaku. So much anime follows the same premises and ideas of older stories but yet people don't hand the same kind of judgment down on them as they would for Avatar.

While I can't ignore the "parallels" in the themes and overall execution, that's just nerd rage talking there. Your just getting too hung up on those parallels as the Vatican is about the nature worshipping theme. An inability to suspend ones disbelief. While its fun to flex the intellect to see those things, your getting way to worked up. Or your too impressionable.

They just want to tell a story or portray the characters they love in a matter they feel speaks to the core of that character they fell in love with and does their legacy justice.

Suggesting it's more original than Avatar's use of themes that have been implemented in a story arc before is the height of idiocy... Doesn't change the fact your hypocrisy for being a fan of said shows is intergalactic in size.

Right, and anime isn't escapist fantasy. *rolls eyes* Go watch C-Span, apparently you have a grudge against entertainment.

While I know it's all the rage in the anti-culture world to tell everyone how cool you are for disliking and hating the latest big thing in popular culture, this thread is not meant to be the soapbox for your avatar hate.

It's a concern because anyone familiar with GUNNM knows that it could make one hell of a good movie. At the same time, liberties (rightfully so under the right circumstances) will be taken. What direction will these be pushed toward?

We really wanted to take our time in developing a large arc-ing story that really encompasses the whole world [of Battle Angel Alita].

Sven Viking wrote:

In any case, it's certainly succeeded at inciting dialogue. Any discussion related to Cameron turns into a fight over Avatar (even when the thread is about seemingly ridiculous Battle Angel news...)

Well yeah in a way. The thing is, I know he can make a good film. This I would state as fact. But given the monetary success of his last film, will that pull him in a new direction? Does he think what was put out was a high quality American film? On all levels?

It's a concern because anyone familiar with GUNNM knows that it could make one hell of a good movie. At the same time, liberties (rightfully so under the right circumstances) will be taken. What direction will these be pushed toward? There is just so much that could go wrong if a certain person's ego isn't in check. If he wins any Oscars for anything other than technical achievements, I think it doesn't look good for Alita.

Also related.

There are different degrees of escapism. Also, I clearly enjoy films like Commando and Crank for their intellectual value. Rolling Eyes Straw man...

Dargonxtc wrote:

It's a concern because anyone familiar with GUNNM knows that it could make one hell of a good movie. At the same time, liberties (rightfully so under the right circumstances) will be taken. What direction will these be pushed toward?

I'm hoping that Cameron doesn't have much influence on the script and primarily concerns himself with the design settings and general intricacies of the world. I really think that, if written well enough and received properly, he could turn it into a franchise. I'm worried that it'll become JUST about "a human/robotic identity" type of story. The original -- despite any sort of philosophical ideas -- is really this gritty, somewhat nutty cyberpunk tale that's about a lot of action. It's just a lot of fun with the occasional emotional investment.

Let me state this again you're actually criticizing something for being escapist fantasy at an ANIME forum. Yeah, I don't have to say much more than that.

Let me state this again you're actually criticizing something for being escapist fantasy at an ANIME forum.

And wow TDK has post-911 themes and I should respect it for that. Gee I wonder what other movie has those that you completely written off.

You don't want to actually engage TDK beyond a knee-jerk manner... That said, I am done posting about Avatar (and The Dark Knight) in this thread -- any further discussion will be continued in PMs -- so let's talk about Alita!

I like TDK, but Avatar is a better film. And people will remember it as a better film even more so after all those oscars it's going to win. You can continue to cry about it being successful like those Colts fans I guess.

I certainly don't disagree with anything you said. I will say that I think it is a little wishful to think that no liberties(or even very little) will be taken. Even Lord of the Rings (one of the best known books in the world), had plenty of liberties taken(I loved those films by the way). But when you you think about it, how many direct adaptations has Hollywood produced in the last 30 years. Very Very few(some with good results, some with bad). So I think this makes the choice of director an important one, along with any guidelines a studio might make (though we all know that James doesn't follow guidelines).