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Jaymie



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PostPosted: Sun Apr 11, 2010 2:52 pm Reply with quote
Ummm what? It's panties. I'm pretty strongly against Lolicon, but those pictures are pretty tame. A lot Anime and Manga feature pantie shots of underage girls. Is he trying to say that they should be reported to the F.B.I. as well?
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Ganryu



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PostPosted: Sun Apr 11, 2010 2:57 pm Reply with quote
Most slashdot posters seem to agree that the point of doing this is to bring attention to his own website. So avoid his website.
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Daemonblue



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PostPosted: Sun Apr 11, 2010 3:04 pm Reply with quote
Same for the Sankaku posters. This just screams "look at my site, it doesn't house paedophiles, so it must be better!" and it takes the "quality" over "quantity" approach, which means low page views and little information that was probably ripped from somewhere else anyway.

This just goes to show how some idiots that don't even know the law try to use it to bring down competition...
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Zin5ki



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PostPosted: Sun Apr 11, 2010 3:43 pm Reply with quote
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Godwin asserts that material must meet the Miller test of community standards to be deemed legally obscene, and that Wikimedia Foundation is protected from liability as a computer service provider by the Communications Decency Act.

One hopes this notification will help to quell unnecessary doubt about the legality of drawn content online. Ridding a website of dubious material need not require informing the authorities; testing their level of acceptance would not have a positive effect on hitherto well-meaning domains.
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chicogrande



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PostPosted: Sun Apr 11, 2010 4:28 pm Reply with quote
Huh? Confused

Some badly drawn panties is child porn?

It's an insult to the struggle against the sexual abuse of flesh and blood victims.
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Mushi-Man



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PostPosted: Sun Apr 11, 2010 4:31 pm Reply with quote
I have to agree with what others have said so far, this just seems like Sanger trying to get attention and knock down his competition. I imagine he thought people would see him as a protector of the internet but instead he just comes off as a self centered jerk.
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gorbal



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PostPosted: Sun Apr 11, 2010 4:33 pm Reply with quote
chicogrande wrote:
Huh? Confused

Some badly drawn panties is child porn?

It's an insult to the struggle against the sexual abuse of flesh and blood victims.


Meanwhile "Strike Witches" is still on the front pages of ANN.
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Mohawk52



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PostPosted: Sun Apr 11, 2010 4:44 pm Reply with quote
gorbal wrote:
chicogrande wrote:
Huh? Confused

Some badly drawn panties is child porn?

It's an insult to the struggle against the sexual abuse of flesh and blood victims.


Meanwhile "Strike Witches" is still on the front pages of ANN.
What? Virtual Child Porn here? Wait! What's that siren? I'd better log off before Interwebpol break down my door! (goes and hides behind the couch where the PC screen can't see me).
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J-Syxx



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PostPosted: Sun Apr 11, 2010 4:56 pm Reply with quote
Uh oh, better throw away your copies of the JC Penny Catalog, because images of panties are CP now!!! Can they maybe sue this jackass for libel?
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J-Syxx



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PostPosted: Sun Apr 11, 2010 4:58 pm Reply with quote
Zin5ki wrote:
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Godwin asserts that material must meet the Miller test of community standards to be deemed legally obscene, and that Wikimedia Foundation is protected from liability as a computer service provider by the Communications Decency Act.

One hopes this notification will help to quell unnecessary doubt about the legality of drawn content online. Ridding a website of dubious material need not require informing the authorities; testing their level of acceptance would not have a positive effect on hitherto well-meaning domains.


So wait, I'm confused, it's not obscenity if it's online???? Since when has that been the case?
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Zin5ki



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PostPosted: Sun Apr 11, 2010 5:12 pm Reply with quote
It was not my intention for the utterance of "online" to suggest that I considered obscenity laws not to apply to such a domain. I merely had in mind the consideration that, due to the presence of "questionable" images on a variety of websites, the rigorous policing of online domains could presumably be to the detriment of many people, regardless of whether they actively attempt to view obscene material.
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Shiroi Hane
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 11, 2010 5:20 pm Reply with quote
Given the current situation here in the UK I'm not going to temp fate by looking, but Kasuga is the creator of "wikipetan" and, although he created some hentai illustrations, none of them are used on Wikipedia. He did, IIRC, create a tame illustration to be used on the Lolicon page since there was a lot of fighting over what image to use and whether they had permission to use it etc.
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RestLessone



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PostPosted: Sun Apr 11, 2010 5:24 pm Reply with quote
...Y'know, having watched some of the Wiki debates about whether certain images were appropriate or not, I can say that there were much worse ones than girls in panties. Hell, just go to the lolicon Wikipedia page and look at the image with the books. There's some rather...disturbing images on the bindings. I know there was some debate about whether to keep it, but I'm not sure how far it went Confused None of them showed real children, of course. I just avoid the lolicon and shotacon pages so I don't have to see it. Razz

In any case, it does seem like he reported it to get people interested in his competing site. I'm not opposed to removing the explicit images from the article, but only because there are much less risque images, and the sexual ones aren't vital to the article. But why get the law involved when there are much more important things to be done?

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Ah, forgot about the UK law. In that case, I say remove from Wiki just so that those laws aren't violated. I'd hate to have someone stumbling upon in by accident...Although, I doubt there'd be much trouble; it's a Wikipedia page, where a person will visit once and then zoom away once they see the image content. English Wiki is for all countries, particularly those in English-speaking countries. The US, UK, Canada, and Australia seem to be the home of most users.
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utumo



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PostPosted: Sun Apr 11, 2010 6:20 pm Reply with quote
This law is getting more and more ridiculous. More waste of taxpayers' money for a meaningless lawsuit.
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J-Syxx



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PostPosted: Sun Apr 11, 2010 7:16 pm Reply with quote
Zin5ki wrote:
It was not my intention for the utterance of "online" to suggest that I considered obscenity laws not to apply to such a domain. I merely had in mind the consideration that, due to the presence of "questionable" images on a variety of websites, the rigorous policing of online domains could presumably be to the detriment of many people, regardless of whether they actively attempt to view obscene material.


You're post was changed and so was the quote in my post after you. Whoever edited these, can we maybe just add a later post explaining things without doing something like this that will just create a lot of confusion?
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