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FaytLein
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But these people are so deeply entrenched in how they view the anime business, it reminds me of the old saying, "you can lead a horse to water but can't make him drink." I'm all for honest discussion about problems, but people keep spouting off half baked solutions to problems that are so much bigger than "if Company X does this and makes this available, and catches up to the times, everything would be fine." Which it can't for a whole litany of issues. So we stay in the massive circle of blame game, and nothing will get discussed openly, which actually makes me pretty sad. |
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rockman nes
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I wholeheartedly agree with you. "HAHAHA, IT'S FUNNY BECAUSE AMERICA IS STOOPID AND ALWAYS THINK THERE THE HEROES DURR HURR!! And I love how they portrayed Japan and Germany as the "good-natured but quirky ones" (take note that the characters are based on their countries during WWII) 
From what I've seen, a majority of the shows fanbase is mosly Yaoi fangirls. Not that there's anything wrong with them, just pointing it out. |
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PetrifiedJello
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[pulls out wallet and buys FUNimation product while putting Bandai one step closer to the grave] No way. I've felt Bandai's been devaluing their DVD sets for years now and I'm not going to assist with their decision. I understand costs need to be cut, but there is a limit to which prevents me from buying. Personally, I'll not shed a tear if this company goes the way of Geneon, especially if they're banking on MoSH to sell well. Sounds like Imagine with Astro Boy, doesn't it? It seems fans are going to vote with their wallet with the second season, and that's precisely what they should be doing. If they didn't like the Endless Eight arc, they shouldn't feel they have to buy the product to "support" Bandai. Though I will be curious to see how season 3 gets released if Bandai remains. The fansub remarks by Eric were interesting. Yesterday, I read an interesting take on gaming piracy and was very impressed by the logic behind the blog. Applying this logic to the anime industry, I still can't see how this will help Bang!Zoom. I just don't believe anime's going to hit the pre-burst numbers for a long time. Eric's right to say there's just so many problems to "fix" the industry, and customers are just a part of that problem since they're not buying. Consumers, however, are having a field day. An interesting thought occurred to me while reading the article above: how many fan sub users actually download the series? That's a pretty important question, given if they're not downloading it, they simply do not want it. That's where the consumer and customer line gets drawn. Monetizing consumers, not customers, is the challenge and it's going to be interesting to see new ideas to turn consumers into customers. Especially when so many sites are now trying to wall their content. At any rate, nothing to do now but ride this rollercoaster until it comes to a stop. I didn't know there was an issue over the dubbing of Nanoha and Familiar of Zero. I still don't know the gist (nor do I want to, so save the typing on this) but found it weird such past events are still being thought of as an issue. I liked the dubs of both, so no complaints here. Another good podcast, guys. Again, thanks for the mp3 download option. I can listen while at work. 
Finally, I just have to say this: Videoscan can't claim copyright on factual data. Well, at least here in the US anyway. I can't believe this company has the balls to tell its users they can't do with the data they paid for. I can only assume the copyright restriction is based on Canadian law, not US law (where many cases have failed to claim copyright on facts). |
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jvowles
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Yeah, but farscape went off the air years ago and has been in print long enough that price reduction kicks in. |
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bayoab
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Otaku_X
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Apparently I'm the only person who likes Endless Eight.
Guess i'm buying 2 or 3 sets when it comes out. |
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PetrifiedJello
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My remarks had nothing to do with the series but the decisions to which things are carried out, so yes, there are comparisons. If Bandai's stating "if Haruhi doesn't do well, that's it.", then they are placing their eggs into one basket (probably shaped like Haruhi in a bunny outfit). In other words, why just one title? Why not make a statement "If these titles don't sell..."? The remark about a single title doesn't instill confidence in the series nor the company. "If"? What the hell happened to "When"? I didn't take Eric's comments to mean Bandai's out of the NA market, just that they're no longer going to dub for the NA market ever again. |
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ikillchicken
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I've got Bad Lieutenant on my rental list. Nicholas Cage is tremendously hit or miss but most of those hit's involve him being crazy.
Huh, I guess I'll see Arion. Sounds interesting. Wow. Did Zac and Justin switch personalities? Normally it's Zac who hate hate hates stuff and Justin is slightly more forgiving. Now he's going to act like a martyr? Come on. He said something silly and alarmist. Don't try to play it off as an attempt to generate discussion or as saying something that 'needed to be said'. Both those things could be accomplished much better by making a more grounded statement. Wow, that's so weird. That exact $20 bill example had just occurred to me a couple weeks ago. Crap...If Bandai goes down and Media Blasters is on shaky ground then that just leaves Funimation, Viz and S23. Viz only does a few big name titles. I don't hate Funimation but I'm not exactly crazy about them having a near monopoly. I'm glad at least S23 seems to have successfully transitioned from a reanimated corpse to an actual company.
I think it computes pretty well. As you said, anime has already been extremely devalued because it's available free online. Obviously this means that people consider the prices on DVDs expensive. Hence, lowering the prices to at least come closer to the perceived value may need to be considered. |
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Chibitoon
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For Hetalia, I would suggest looking up the manga first.. not the newly licensed version (that is not even out yet) but the fan translations. While the anime is just animated versions of the strips and that's it, the manga actually gives explanations (aka mini-history lessons) to what you just saw.
It's also very interesting if you are a history-buff... and it completely ruins your vision of the countries, too. (I must say...Hetalia made the Winter Olympics ten times more interesting to watch. LOL  )
Oh! And also... if you read the manga version, you will find that ALL the countries are picked-on.... not just every country except Japan. One thing I have noticed in the anime is during the segments involving Japan and America...they leave out most of the jokes on Japan's society and pick on America instead. The manga equally picks on both countries. Last edited by Chibitoon on Fri May 07, 2010 12:41 pm; edited 1 time in total |
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FaytLein
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I don't think Videoscan has a copyright to its numbers, more than likely its a TOS contract when you sign up and pay them 70 grand for access. Just imagine if you were a publicly traded company, and your sales numbers got leaked. The whole "corporate info is NOT to be released AT ALL" spiel is for good reason, don't want the stockholders to spiral into a panic because some chucklehead decided it would be good for his company to make another look bad. And about the whole "anime is expensive" line...prices have gone down considerably since early 2000, with half season sets and what not. Does Bang Zoom really want prices to go down even more, which would mean dubs would be the first to go, which puts them right back in its curren situation? Subbed anime is pretty unreachable outside of the fandom, so expensive dubs are the only way to generate outsider interest, which doesn't seem likely these days. |
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ikillchicken
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You're mistakenly equating price with total revenue. Obviously nobody would want to see revenue (the total they bring in from sales of a series) decrease. However, a lower price does not inherently mean less total revenue. If the price is lower then more people will buy the product. If this increase in sales is enough to offset the decrease in price then the total revenues will be greater. Hence, optimizing revenues is all about finding the ideal price point. In the case of anime, it may in fact be a lower price than what we currently see. |
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GWOtaku
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I didn't finish the episode in the morning, so I've got about 40% to listen to still. I haven't tried Hetalia yet, but now I'm rather worried. I guess I'll take the plunge this weekend and see what I think...
To be fair, I don't think the call is that people should buy a product that they hate or think they'll hate. If not Haruhi S2, then some other ongoing release or a past release that a fan may be procrastinating on: Sword of the Stranger, The Girl Who Leapt Through Time, Freedom, Ghost in the Shell, Gundam 00, PlanetES, Zeta Gundam (the series or movies), Escaflowne, Gurren Lagann, etc etc. It also pays to remember how they have the Haruhi Suzumiya **movie**, which from everything I've read sounds like a return to (or a surpassing of) past quality that hasn't attracted any of the negative controversy that the second season did. Even if I end up not buying Haruhi S2, I'd absolutely pick up the film to go alongside my collection of the first series. I do wonder about the Haruhi-chan shorts. I worry that those would be another Lucky Star if they were released by themselves. If they were packaged with the second season, though, that could offer some good extra incentive to grab it. |
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EmperorBrandon
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I don't have a particular fondness for Endless Eight, but I didn't really have a problem with it either. It's kind of ridiculous how people have to keep bringing it up. Don't like it, don't watch, don't buy it, but don't troll about it constantly either. It's over now. It's not like it's the only thing Bandai is releasing now anyway. Even disregarding the rest of the whole 2009 season (which I thought was perfectly fine too), they do apparently have the license to the movie, which I am very much looking forward to seeing. I'm happy that they are actually getting a dub too (rarity for Bandai these days), so this was going to be a very high priority buy for me whether I knew Bandai was in trouble or not. |
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FaytLein
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However, you're missing one vital component. Cost. Cost is a fixed rate, depending on how much work has been put into your product. If you need to sell 20,000 copies at 30 bucks a pop to turn a profit on your product, cutting prices in half means you have to sell twice as much product to make a profit. Now, in most business circles, this is a valid strategy, but in the anime world, where ever dwindling sales are rampant, cutting prices isn't a good idea, but cutting cost is. And if dubbing is a significant cost, companies would rather cut that than try to move twice as much product at a lower price point. |
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Reibooi
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There are a few things that interest me about the whole Bandai thing.
First and foremost is if Bandai does get out of the game how will that affect Aniplex? Would Bandai continue to sell for Aniplex if they themselves were no longer in the game? Makes little sense to me to do so however I am not exactly business savvy so I wouldn't know. Now on to the whole Depending on Haruhi. He said they were depending on Haruhi/Haruhi-chan and one other license. Now alot of people thought that if anyone every licensed K-ON! it would be Bandai because of their relationship with the kyoani. If K-ON is indeed the other show it will be interesting to see what happens. The show is massively popular but will that translate into sales? However this is all hypothetical as we still don't know what that other license is. |
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