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Hey, Answerman! [2010-06-12]

Snark aside, I think that is the main reason most people read scanlations (or fansubs or whatever). People like to discuss things with other people. That's just the way we're wired. I can understand people being frustrated if you can't discuss something you like with anyone because you are always a tiny bit behind.

irriadin wrote:

Let me just say that for Bleach, at least, we are on a release schedule that lags far, far behind japan. Currently there are 31 volumes available from Viz; there are 45 released in Japan. So we're about 2.5 years behind. The wait is almost interminable.

Did you not seeing the Naruto Nation link I posted? We're only 15 vols or so behind the japanese one. If VIZ decides to have a Bleach Nation, one ONE MONTH we will jump ahead 2 years. They've done it for One Piece, done it for Naruto multiple times, so eventually once enough volumes pile up, they'll do it for Bleach.

And seriously, waiting 2.5 years for something would never of been a problem if you hadn't resorted to bootlegs. You could of just enjoyed the series as it came out. If more people did that, VIZ probably would be releasing it quicker like they did with Kenshin, becasue sales and available shelf space would merit it.

I own all the released volumes of Bleach that Viz has put out, so I don't see how this is causing VIZ any problems. I *could* have enjoyed the series as it came out, if there wasn't endless discussions and reminders that we are VERY far behind in releases. Dark Horse is really good at releasing Berserk in a timely fashion; I've never even thought about reading scanlations of it. Wish VIZ would do the same for Bleach...

what the hell. just... why is waiting for something so terrible? your life will not be forfeit if you don't know the latest MOST UP-TO-DATE bullshit about Bleach the very second it's made available in Japan. i know everyone wants to go on 4chan's anime board and talk shit about how much the latest chapter sucks and how this chapter sucks more than the last fifty chapters that they still keep reading from scanlation sites every week for some sick reason, but... seriously, guys.

As long as you're buying... But still, nobody forces you to read the discussions on forums. Avoid those and you can leave a happy, 99% spoiler free life. There are still people out there who don't know ***** dies in ***** *******! Or * dies in ***** ****!

Tamaria wrote:

As long as you're buying... But still, nobody forces you to read the discussions on forums. Avoid those and you can leave a happy, 99% spoiler free life. There are still people out there who don't know ***** dies in ***** *******! Or * dies in ***** ****!

Yeah, but, you know, i have many anime fan friends irl ) Still want to beat up one of them, who spoiled me all the Death Note!

And i'm buying stuff (5 volumes of Bleach and 4 of Death Note, that was published in russian, etc), but One Piece, for example, we just don't have it here, so the scanlations often is the only option.

Tell your friends you don't want spoilers- if they're your friends, they'll understand. I dunno, if OnePiece wasn't available here, I'd just read somethingelse and wait for someone to pick it up. I know Russia's still just growing as a manga market, so your choices might be limite,d but I hope your friends are supporting Russian releases too- the more markets have stable manga licensing companies publishing lots of books, the better, since it'll help keep the companies in Japan afloat during what looks like a tough economic time given recent news about Japan's economy.

I find it very smug and holier than thou to think you have a right to steal someonelses creative works just because you're a fan of it. So yeah, that's my major issue with it right there.

I want to know your stance on the translation of unlicensed titles. Do you still think it's wrong?

I've never thought that was wrong, so long as it's kept under control and nobody's directly profiting from it.

Well, Tokyopop released the first volume of Fruits Basket in 2004. Six years later they managed to release the 23rd and final volume. Six. That's your whole teenage lifespan. I believe they were eight volumes behind when Japan finished. How horrible. Except the fact FB first came out in 1998. The poor Japanese had to wait eight. whole. years. to find out how it ended. Without the luxury of cheating with spoilers and scans because the next chapter didn't exist yet. Just imagine having to wait monthly, even bi-monthly, for the next chapter. No wonder it takes forever. You weekly SJ folks have it good. Even though it's a late start, English won't take so long in a regular start to finish run because we get it chunks at a time.

But that's the thing: You can't steal something that isn't licensed. Translations of unlicensed works are not what's damaging the industry here. I absolutely agree with you on your issues with scans of licensed works, but your arguments against translations of unlicensed works is just, for lack of a better word, retarded.

Even Zac agrees with me:

Zac wrote:

I've never thought that was wrong, so long as it's kept under control and nobody's directly profiting from it.

You think you're on to something, but you just aren't, and that's the sad thing.

rockman nes wrote:

But that's the thing: You can't steal something that isn't licensed. Translations of unlicensed works are not what's damaging the industry here. I absolutely agree with you on your issues with scans of licensed works, but your arguments against translations of unlicensed works is just, for lack of a better word, retarded. Even Zac agrees with me: Zac wrote: I've never thought that was wrong, so long as it's kept under control and nobody's directly profiting from it. You think you're on to something, but you just aren't, and that's the sad thing.

Heres the thing-
"so long as it's kept under control and nobody's directly profiting from it"

These sites are directly profitting from it, and it's not being kept under control since anyone can access them with very little effort...

Also, stop using the word retarded. It's a pretty offensive word. Why not say stupid? Misunderstood? Or say, misguided?

And seriously, could people just not download a text file of the translation and import it? Would it be that hard? Foriegn editions of manga aren't that hard to import.

why can't people just wait it out?

i know it's a bit different when it comes to titles that aren't licensed yet or older stuff, but let's be completely honest here and say that the bulk of scanlations are from [sic] legally available titles...

But that's the thing: You can't steal something that isn't licensed.

I seem to recall, and looking up the release dates of the Japanese manga suggests it as well, that the manga-ka had an injury that took awhile to recover from and that's why it took longer to release in Japan than it did in the US. Especially if you look at the pattern of releases in Japan, about three volumes a year (except for one or two years where I think she was recovering) and TP put out three or four volumes a year. So while English fans are going to get about the same number of chapters that a Japanese fan would get in monthly releases the complaint seems to be more that the US is so far behind the Japanese that it's hard to hold a discussion about it. I agree with the idea of having seperate Japan and US (or whatever country you're in) discussions but most of us don't have the self-control to not binge on scans.