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kyokun703
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That was a pretty sweet ANNCast. Enjoyed the piracy discussion, and hearing how difficult and interesting and fun it is to run a con. I have never been to Otakon, since I'm a West Coaster, so I go to Fanime and AX, plus the whole SDCC conflict, but I would definitely like to go out one day. It might help now that a friend has just relocated to DC; maybe we can attend next year.
I miss my record player. The first music I bought was all on LPs and were so much fun (Depeche Mode, Tears for Fears, etc.). I really miss some of the artwork on album covers. It's not the same on a CD or seeing that dinky square on your iTunes. |
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CG-LOVER
 Posts: 355 Location: East Lansing, MI |
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I completely agree, and I am in fact a little disappointed with what Justin and Zac said on this issue. I mean I really don't care if you don't have the money; stealing is still stealing. And I remember in the podcast Zac mentions how he understands these people who pirate cause they can't afford it...but does he really consider that to be a legitimate reason to steal? Honestly I feel that's one of the worst reasons you can have. And then using the reason that it's not available in the U.S. may have some issues as well. I mean sure it might not be available now, but it takes time for a company to license something. It really depends on how long you will actually be willing to wait before you pirate. In my view, and I'm not joking about this, it could take a good number of years for a North American company to license a series and I definitely feel that people should be willing to wait that long. Unless people are 100% certain that a show is not getting licensed I don't think you have an excuse to steal. Now to clarify, when I do say this I am mostly talking about those who will download things immediately to satisfy their need for instant gratification and then not buy it later when it comes out here. If you are going to download, I do agree with Zac that you should at least "cover your carbon footprint". |
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samuelp
Industry Insider
Posts: 2231 Location: San Antonio, USA |
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Although I downloaded a heck of a lot of fansubs in the 2001-2002 era, to be honest I only watched like ~25% of what I downloaded.
I ended up selling about 1000 CD-Rs to some guy from craigslist for.... $50, which was less than the value of the cases I had them stored in  .
Once I came to Japan I basically decided never to watch a fansub again, for a couple of reasons: 1. I'm in friggin' Japan, I claim to be able to speak Japanese, I shouldn't be a wuss. 2. It somehow seems more wrong to download fansubs of something that's actually on TV where you live .
3. Although it was only a tertiary consideration in the beginning, I didn't want to taint my own mental translations of newer series in the off chance I was ever hired to translate them professionally. Currently I basically ban myself from reading any translations of anime or manga of any sort, so that I don't taint my own ability to translate some specific franchise in the future. I want to make very sure that I'm not subconsciously plagiarizing some other person's translation. So that, in combination of simply being quite busy, has made it so that I haven't watched any fansubs recently at all. I have occasionally downloaded raws of shows that I missed recording on my TV for some reason, but other than that, I download nothing except for porn, just like the internet was always intended. |
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penguintruth
 Posts: 8461 Location: Penguinopolis |
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My general pirating rules:
If it's on DVD/Blu-Ray, get it on DVD or Blu-Ray. Or else find it streaming on the various sites. If you must pirate, you have an obligation to make a later purchase. If it's something that has an expired license or will probably never be licensed, like the first Tenchi Muyo OVAs or Legend of the Galactic Heroes, download (though I tracked down the individual Tenchi Muyo OVA DVDs and bought them). Otherwise, just wait a bit. Funimation will license it eventually. And you can watch some anime OnDemand or on TV networks. I can't see myself downloading, say, Dragon Ball Z. Especially since the Dragon Boxes are so excellent, I feel like it's a crime against the show to download it and ignore those sets. Yeah, it's DBZ, I get it, maybe it's not so much worth the purchase, but with Kai that argument is pretty much moot. Oh my god, Vic Mignogna! I so wish I could go to Otakon! And ignore him. Jerry Jewell, on the other hand, is awesome. |
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v1cious
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wow, Jim Vowles is a genuine nerd. It seems like he really cares about what he does.
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Dorcas_Aurelia
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I'm not going to deny the Kurenai is an excellent series, but Balsa alone is a worthwhile reason to watch Moribito. Shinkurou just doesn't compare to the her level. That is an interesting comparison, though, a bodyguard taking in a young, privileged child and teaching them about how the rest of the populace interact with the world. |
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einhorn303
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The downside is that the US is so large that we can't always travel to cons. For example, I live on the East Coast, and even though I would absolutely love to go to Anime Expo, it's on the West Coast and I can't afford plane tickets or gas/hotel money for a 50+ hours of driving road trip. And my local convention only has sucky, J-pop fangirl teenager oriented stuff goin on. orz. |
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egoist
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While pirating can sometimes be explained by availability, for me it all comes down to money. If you've enjoyed it, and got the money, then just buy it and at least show some support. But it's not always that simple. Whatever I'm watching now will be available in Japan in say 2 months or so. So, in this case, would I show my support and import? No. My support goes as far as releases within the UK, Australia, and North America. In other words, I'll be leeching off and never pay back the Japanese industry for releases that never appeared overseas. And I may seem rather ignorant about this, but I don't feel guilty at all. And yes, I do blame them for not working together with foreign licensees and not coming up with better terms for risky titles.
What I mentioned above is the huge flaw in my own ethics. I'm definitely not paying £250 for 13 episodes on BD no matter how many extras they add. And that's not all. If Japanese companies tried a little harder to work with licensees overseas, perhaps they would see more and more money coming in, to the point it would even allow them to reduce even the prices within Japan (yeah I know, unrealistic huh). For that they would need to stop passing the bulk. Clearly, that's no excuse for pirating. I do admit I'm wrong, but definitely refuse to stop. But I do find it insulting to see someone telling an anime fan to stop watching anime even though said fan can't afford buying. Heck, I wouldn't cut my other expenses because of anime. I just buy anime because the money is there. |
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DmonHiro
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There's gotta be someone who says this every single time, so this time, it will be me: PIRACY IS NOT STEALING, IT'S COPYRIGHT INFRINGEMENT SO STOP USING THE WORD "STEALING".
And to who said it people should be willing to wait years for something to be licensed: HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!! |
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outlaw55
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I can see where they are coming from feeling sorry for people who can't afford it and aren't able to buy to an extent. If someone is not in the United States and doesn't have money, they just can't get much, if any, anime at all. For anyone living in the United States though, I do not feel sorry for them with all the streaming of entire series going on. Anime is a very "rich" hobby for anyone outside of Japan or the United States (if you are not illegally obtaining it).
As for the "it's not stealing" comments, it kinda is stealing. When something is stolen from a store, the insurance company pays for it, but you illegally obtained it. When you steal from a store though, the product cost that the store paid usually gets covered, perhaps a new one is stocked, and the original company got their "pay" for that item, because they were already paid for it. When you cut out the physical stealing and go to "internet stealing" you essentually just cut out wal-mart (or any other store) and are just stealing directly from the original creators, which ironically enough, is MORE harmful to the company releasing it... |
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agila61
 Posts: 3213 Location: NE Ohio |
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If, for instance, you snuck into a furniture store at night with wood and copied the furniture and took the copy out before they opened the next day (cleaning the sawdust and all) ... they wouldn't even have to submit an insurance claim. The creator is given the right to decide who gets to make copy in order to make the right to allow them to say "no, not unless you pay me", to encourage the creation of new original works. And in the Internet Age, buying something and releasing a copy can generate millions of copies which could easily undermine 50,000 in sales. Stealing a DVD and selling it on ebay, takes away one sale. From that leverage, copyright infringement is able to be far worse than stealing as far as taking away income from the original artist. |
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CG-LOVER
Posts: 355 Location: East Lansing, MI |
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Patience is a virtue. That's a valuable lesson. |
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DmonHiro
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It's a virtue when you have no choice but to wait, and manifests itself by how you act while waiting. It does not cover waiting when there's an alternative. |
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egoist
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A virtue not compatible with the market. But - narrowing it down to the anime industry - you do realize what would happen if everyone possessed this virtue and awaited for the box set releases of shows they are willing to buy, correct? |
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MeggieMay
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Ok, I have all the vinyl records Vowles mentioned (and possibly the photo cover for the I Love Rock in Roll 45 - I'm not certain where I stored my 45 covers but the 45's are in a 45 keeper, along with all my vinyl records (and probably a few of my sisters) out in the shop), plus the Genesis of the Daleks and Star Trekking as a single, both on 33 1/3, so do I win a prize for geeky?
 Now, only goodness knows if any of them are still playable but I just couldn't throw them out even though I've not had a working record player in years. FYI, I Love Rock and Roll came out when I was Sophomore in HS, so I have wonder just how little Jim was when got that one?
As for cosplaying non anime characters at anime cons - heck, where I live people show up in costumes for random SF movie premiers (such as a bunch of Klingon's showing up for the Star Wars Ep V's re-release, that I went to). Sadly if you like to costume there isn't any conventions to speak of, so if one breaks out they seem to show up whether it's on topic or not (but that shouldn't be as much of a problem in Baltimore, one would think). Still, I wouldn't expect a Anime con to allow non-topic costumes into the masquerade either so I'm not surprised at that rule. BTW, I've yet to see pictures/go to a Anime con that doesn't have someone dressed up as a Doctor from Doctor Who or a Doctor Who con that doesn't have a Vash the Stamped running around (actually the first time I ever heard of that character was through someone in such a costume at a DW con) FWIW . Which reminds me, Justin, if you don't have cable or Satellite where I live, you don't have any TV. You're lucky you've always lived where you can pop an antenna up and get a few channels. I've never lived anywhere you could do that, so for me TV you can actually see pictures with has pretty much always meant cable  .
Note: Shop means building in back yard that is built better than a regular shed (which is usually a rickety building you buy at a Home Improvement or Hardware store and put together). I have a feeling that's a regional slang thing, so I thought I'd better clarify. |
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