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mdo7
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After seeing Inception and finding out Nolan took influence from Paprika. I wonder if we should get Christopher Nolan to maybe direct the live-action Paprika instead of Wolfgang Petersen. Why, because I feel like a anime fan (since Nolan himself is a fan) should direct a movie since he would understand the fan and he would be careful how to keep it faithful to the anime.
I get what you mean. The same thing happen when US remake Asian movie, yet nobody complain when Asia remake (or rip-off) American movie. Did you know Japan remade Sideways? Also Zhang Yimou remade Coen's Brother Blood Simple into A Simple Noodle Story. I have yet to hear any complaint about it. Also this will baffle any of you, I was on Crunchyroll and found a forum topic for a Asian remake of Twilight fantasy cast. I could imagine Japan probably remaking Twilight because the book and the movie are popular in Japan. I bet nobody will complain if Tetsuya Fujiwara will play as Edward and Aya Ueto play as Bella in the Japanese remake. Is this double Standard when it comes to remake? Yes, I think so. Because somebody will yap about how US remake Asian film, but no one will ever complain about Asia remake a American film. I bet you that: If Japan remake Scarface and Takeshi Kitano direct the remake. Nobody will complain, the people that hate US remake of Asian film will say this: "(Bleep) Al Pacino, and (Bleep) Brian DePalma. The Japanese version is a big win and Kitano will show how Scarface does it in Japanese. Japanese version is superior to the crappy American film". If Hong Kong remake Die Hard and if Tony Leung Chu-Wai played John McClane in the remake, nobody will complain. Maybe I'll hear one person saying "Tony Leung pwned, Bruce Willis suck. Hong Kong FTW, American version suck". Now, I'm not hating on remake or Asian remake on American film. I would like to see Asia take on American movie. Like for example, I would like to see a Hong Kong remake of the Boondock Saints (since Troy Duffy is very much horrible on directing) with John Woo directing the remake. I wouldn't mind if Japan remake Carrie since some people would like to see a Carrie anime (but I always thought a live-action remake would work). Takeshi Miike as director of the remake, and Chiaki Kuriyama as Carrie anyone? |
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rinmackie
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Personally, I love to see a Japanese or other Asian country take on Let the Right One In! Of course, it's a Swedish film and we Americans have already done a remake but still it'd be interesting.
While we're on the subject, I know it would be extremely redundant by now but I've love to see an anime version of the Lord of the Rings trilogy. Sorry for going slightly OT! |
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Unholy_Nny
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I hadn't actually watched the videos until just now (I was posting from my phone yesterday), but WTF. I fail to see a single connection made between Inception and Paprika in those videos. Pointing to my previous post, I'm not denying influence. I just fail to see how these videos prove it. Not to mention if you look at the descriptions...
Bouncing off your whole "these you tube mash-ups are proof that Inception totally rips off Paprika", I'd like to note that CLEARLY Inception totally ripped off Haruhi. I mean, God, how did I not notice how extremely similar they were before? They're basically identical. I mean, look at this EDIT: Also just read that review. That's a very... Slight passing comment. Last edited by Unholy_Nny on Wed Jul 21, 2010 9:37 am; edited 1 time in total |
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mdo7
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I would also like to see a Japanese take on The Unborn. Since that film does have a bit of J-horror touch into it and also the ghost boy does remind me of The Grudge. I always thought that some of our horror movie would do well as Japanese remake like Saw, Boogeyman, and I think The Shining should get a Japanese remake (Ken Watanabe should play Jack Nicholson's character for the remake). EDIT: Yes I made it to 400 post. 
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GATSU
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chicken: My problem is that Nolan will be in the running for an Oscar long over-due to Kon, simply because he's got better connections.
mdo:
Maybe 'cus the Asian end doesn't pretend that it's their own movie? 
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jtstellar
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one would imagine an artist would do more for another than just indirectly and off camera acknowledging these kind of inspirations, especially if it is really as the article described "a principal inspiration" that this one artist was able to derive from another's work. certainly there are different levels of responses and each artist or even the artist's audience would have different standards as in what he or she may do in the same situation. perhaps nolan simply isn't someone who is keen on crediting his sources, or perhaps he feels detached on respect or emotion as he adapts work from another. either way it's obvious his level of response didn't meet this particular audience whose post you're quoting from. but who are you to criticize this audience anyway? Last edited by jtstellar on Wed Jul 21, 2010 8:23 pm; edited 1 time in total |
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jtstellar
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hmm? if the article is correct, nolan already admitted taking "principal inspirations" from paprika. what's more to speculate? also, nolan did start writing this 7 years ago if i don't get the number wrong. it seems he was simply sort of dry on ideas until paprika came along. if that were the case, paprika of course would become a major influence as it became the sole new blood that rebooted this project. and of course inception had a different direction.. like i said, nolan started the project way before paprika. he just never carried through. the project got rebooted just after paprika came out (2006) and he's had some 2 to 3 years to polish his script.. the timing is all about right. so it all makes sense.. he started a project 7 years ago but it went cold, but he already had some ideas. paprika gave him the urge to finish the project.. you can say without paprika inception would never be, but the end product is not entirely the same.. which is of course the case, otherwise i don't know what the heck he's been doing 4 years prior to paprika. |
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AiddonValentine
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he only waited for Inception because he had no experience with large scale films, thus why he did his Batman movies.
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Key
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I have seen Paprika in a theater, but it did not once pop into my mind while I was watching Inception last weekend. While Chris Nolan may have taken some inspiration from Paprika (primarily, it sounds like, in the form of the character Ariadne), it is otherwise so utterly different that to call it a "rip-off" smacks of short-sighted elitism.
And really, pointing to the common mirror-smashing scene as evidence? How often does a scene like that appear in dream-based or mind-trippy series and movies? Using an elevator as a metaphor for moving between different memories/layers of dreams is also something I have seen done elsewhere besides these two. |
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Unholy_Nny
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Nolan's only been nominated once for an Oscar and, you know, didn't win. Inception is the best live-action film I've seen this year and is easily better than the last two films to win "Best Picture". Nolan deserves an Oscar just as much as Kon (My favorite anime director), and just because Kon hasn't received one doesn't mean Nolan shouldn't get one. And anyone who has actually seen both movies either (a) acknowledges that any influence from Kon is minimal and the end product is absolutely nothing like Paprika or (b) is a weeaboo. |
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GATSU
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Key: How about Cotillard's falling sequence? Or Page wearing the same business suit as Paprika, and Levitt wearing the same out-fit as those bar-keeps? Oh, and those machines which connect them to the dream world?
Unholy: He's still got one more nomination than Kon. Anyway, I'm ok with Nolan getting one for another TDK. I don't like him winning because of a remake. The only reason I was willing to let Marty slide on his win was because his ass was long over-due for the gold. Anyway, even Kon seems to be noting the similarities in his blog update: The movie's TV spots, but I think I first saw the CM was published shortly before, as soon as I saw laughing. 映像的なことにせよセリフにしてもキャッチコピーにしても「あ・ん・ま・り」じゃないか(笑) If you catch even if you copy words and images that case, "Mari heating pad" or not (laughs) すぐに名付けたぞ。 I immediately named. 「パクリカ」 "Pakurika" でも、別にそれでもいいじゃないか、というか、私にはどうでもいいし。 But I still do not separate, or rather, I was good with it. どうせ植民地なんだしさ。 Because we are a colony is anyway. |
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ikillchicken
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By 'this audience' you mean who? GATSU? Why can't I criticize GATSU? He routinely spouts nonsensical, baseless accusations that Hollywood is ripping off anime. He states these claims as undeniable fact despite really having no hard evidence whatsoever to support them. He displays a complete and unapologetic bias against anything American. And now...because for once, it happens that he was partially correct (by mere coincidence of course) he's going to act all smug like everyone should feel stupid for not agreeing with his baseless nonsense initially? 
I can hardly think of anyone more deserving of criticism. |
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DKL
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I think it needs to be said that the Oscars are terrible; it's like watching a 2-hour long movie commercial (or however long it was this year).
I never watched it up until this year, but the only thing remotely interesting about it was the facial reaction James Cameron made when his ex-wife won the director's award. |
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GATSU
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chicken:
Yeah, totally coincidental, even though it was like the [don't even think about it] a thing all over again where even American fans were pointing it out.
[Mod Edit: You have been allowed to go this far because the article does touch on what you're talking about, even though it is not the articles intent in spite of your soapboxing having turned it in to this threads focus now. So you've done enough damage as is and you're walking a fine line at this point, don't push your luck. However, your soapboxing stops once you try and bring other titles and more sweeping accusations in to this. This thread is about "Inception" and that's it, if you're going to start trying to turn it in to your personal rant against the industry then you're done here, end of story. - Keonyn] |
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Unholy_Nny
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I am now done reading any of your posts ever. Does ANN have an "ignore" option somewhere? |
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