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Ryu Shoji



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PostPosted: Wed Dec 12, 2012 5:27 pm Reply with quote
SEGA, are you going to need some ice for that burn?
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darkonezero



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PostPosted: Wed Dec 12, 2012 5:32 pm Reply with quote
Man, Level 5 sure knows how the serve the legal rebuttal.
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Aethix



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PostPosted: Wed Dec 12, 2012 5:50 pm Reply with quote
Aside from the bit about the first game being released before the patents were filed, which I did not know about, this statement from Level-5 matches my thoughts on the matter perfectly. Sega ought to drop this baseless lawsuit and issue a public apology immediately.
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 12, 2012 5:57 pm Reply with quote
grabs popcorn.. this is going to be fun~
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 12, 2012 6:47 pm Reply with quote
Someone at SEGA should have said, "I have a bad feeling about this."

Cecil can you pass the popcorn please? I've got your Coke.

Mark Gosdin
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flawed



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PostPosted: Wed Dec 12, 2012 7:19 pm Reply with quote
I see a similar result to the X360 vs. Motorola. Basically courts rule Sega's patent is to necessary to the working of the handheld, and has to be offered at "fair pricing" which they'll set and Level 5 has to pay for the games except the one released prior to the patent.
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GrilledEelHamatsu



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PostPosted: Wed Dec 12, 2012 9:11 pm Reply with quote
Ryu Shoji wrote:
SEGA, are you going to need some ice for that burn?


No. Because nobody has even seen the patent docs.

Please don't post as if you know what your talking about because you DON'T know what you are talking about.
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GrilledEelHamatsu



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PostPosted: Wed Dec 12, 2012 9:18 pm Reply with quote
Aethix wrote:
Aside from the bit about the first game being released before the patents were filed, which I did not know about, this statement from Level-5 matches my thoughts on the matter perfectly. Sega ought to drop this baseless lawsuit and issue a public apology immediately.


Unfortunley, Level 5 is not out of woods yet. Sega is likely to allege that their patent was filed in 2004-2005. This wouldn't surprise me. But it would be unwitting on Level 5's part.
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Expias



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PostPosted: Wed Dec 12, 2012 9:20 pm Reply with quote
GrilledEelHamatsu wrote:
Ryu Shoji wrote:
SEGA, are you going to need some ice for that burn?


No. Because nobody has even seen the patent docs.

Please don't post as if you know what your talking about because you DON'T know what you are talking about.
If L-5's claims are true, how does that affect the point that the first game was released before SEGA received their first patent?

edit: Did their patent status go to "patent pending" in 2008 (and before, since L-5 was developing before release).
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GrilledEelHamatsu



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PostPosted: Wed Dec 12, 2012 9:28 pm Reply with quote
mgosdin wrote:
Someone at SEGA should have said, "I have a bad feeling about this."

Cecil can you pass the popcorn please? I've got your Coke.

Mark Gosdin
Having studied and read their patents over the past several years, I'd say SEGA probably has a case.

SEGA is NOT stupid when it comes to patent litigation. They wouldn't be seeking a lawsuit if they didn't have grounds for one.
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stove top stuffing



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PostPosted: Wed Dec 12, 2012 9:30 pm Reply with quote
GrilledEelHamatsu wrote:
Ryu Shoji wrote:
SEGA, are you going to need some ice for that burn?


No. Because nobody has even seen the patent docs.

Please don't post as if you know what your talking about because you DON'T know what you are talking about.


@GrilledEelHamatsu: Do you work for Sega? It seems like you have this undying devotion to them. Nearly every post from you in this thread is how Sega can do no wrong, or they are in the right and people don't "understand" them and how they operate. You just seem to be so rabid in your defense of them and damn all other opinions to the contrary.

Isn't it in the realm of possibility that Sega is in the wrong on this?

Though I don't really care. The outcome will be decided by lawyers who make way more money than I do. Heh.
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GrilledEelHamatsu



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PostPosted: Wed Dec 12, 2012 9:40 pm Reply with quote
Expias wrote:
GrilledEelHamatsu wrote:
Ryu Shoji wrote:
SEGA, are you going to need some ice for that burn?


No. Because nobody has even seen the patent docs.

Please don't post as if you know what your talking about because you DON'T know what you are talking about.
If L-5's claims are true, how does that affect the point that the first game was released before SEGA received their first patent?

edit: Did their patent status go to "patent pending" in 2008 (and before, since L-5 was developing before release).
Because if the filing date is 2004 or 2005, Sega could argue that the games' mechanics were too simular to the patents first documentation rather, when they were first filed.

Sega's patents usually are first issued 4 years after their filing date. If Level 5 is correct that they were first issued in 2009, then the filing date is likely 2005.
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Cecilthedarkknight_234



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PostPosted: Wed Dec 12, 2012 9:59 pm Reply with quote
GrilledEelHamatsu wrote:
Expias wrote:
GrilledEelHamatsu wrote:
Ryu Shoji wrote:
SEGA, are you going to need some ice for that burn?


No. Because nobody has even seen the patent docs.

Please don't post as if you know what your talking about because you DON'T know what you are talking about.
If L-5's claims are true, how does that affect the point that the first game was released before SEGA received their first patent?

edit: Did their patent status go to "patent pending" in 2008 (and before, since L-5 was developing before release).
Because if the filing date is 2004 or 2005, Sega could argue that the games' mechanics were too simular to the patents first documentation rather, when they were first filed.

Sega's patents usually are first issued 4 years after their filing date. If Level 5 is correct that they were first issued in 2009, then the filing date is likely 2005.


That is one hell of broken system, then again couldn't sega sue sony for use of more than one processor on the design of the ps3?? I mean the Sega Saturn was the first console to use multiple processors for music, 3d and 2d graphics correct?
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casualfan



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PostPosted: Wed Dec 12, 2012 10:04 pm Reply with quote
I hope level 5 wins and tear sega a new one for such a ridiculous patent.
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flawed



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PostPosted: Wed Dec 12, 2012 11:46 pm Reply with quote
Patent litigations are bizarre. The only way L5 can win is if the games do not infringe upon Sega's patent [impossible to know if we don't examine the documents].

If, they are deemed to infringe on the patent, Sega wins either by the "fair use/pricing", as I already stated where L5 has to pay Sega an amount determined by the courts, or the courts can completely side with Sega in the lawsuit deeming that L5 could have developed a system that would not have infringed upon Sega's patent. Either of these two means technically Sega is legally in the right, though with the first one L5 is also partially correct deeming the "fair use/pricing".

In regards to the "Sega Saturn" question the concept of utilizing multiple processors is to general to grant a patent on. Think of it like trying to patent the controller [not referring to a specific controller, but the concept of one].

Also for a corporation to sue another you won't see "frivolous" or "wrong" lawsuits. Litigation like this costs tons of money, which means Sega has to believe it has a strong case.

Welcome to the wonderful world of commercialism.
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