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Pandadice



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PostPosted: Fri Oct 15, 2010 12:51 pm Reply with quote
My favorite part is how the guy says "I know you're a liberal communist", right after condemning you for advising people to spend their money and support the capitalist corporations.

dude totally knows what he's talking about.

but like you said, it's probably a troll anyways. I think complete lack of punctuation is a fairly over-the-top sign of it being a troll. As well as the stated contradiction, and as you pointed out, the lack of a question or anything to do with his stated focus.. Overall I'm still a bit skeptical though (Perhaps I honestly just wish people were actually that dumb?), so I'd give him a 6/10. A very good try. IMO the video you should've responded with should've been a solid Daxflame video. You know, to show the trolling dude how a top tier troll rolls.


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Zac
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 15, 2010 12:54 pm Reply with quote
Uh, one correction, my apartment is on the second floor.

Oh and Howl wasn't supposed to be me. That's why he was saying "hey answerman".

That is all.
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JaQiLinOtaku



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PostPosted: Fri Oct 15, 2010 1:00 pm Reply with quote
Oh man sorry but I have to say that Flake letter was a nice laugh! Good to know that fictional characters can be better people than actual people.

However I resent that dig at Reborn!, Brian. :/

Zac wrote:
Oh and Howl wasn't supposed to be me. That's why he was saying "hey answerman".
Funny you mention that because actually for ages until I saw an actual picture of you I always had this image in my head of Zac/Answerman = Howl Anime hyper First impressions stick I guess Laughing

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progSHELL



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PostPosted: Fri Oct 15, 2010 1:03 pm Reply with quote
My favorite part of this week's Flake is when he pretended to know about economics.

Dear flake dude,

The free market only works if people buy stuff. You are not in the market if you only download stuff and read scanlations. Also, paragraphs and sentences arn't the same thing.

Regards,

Peter
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Kyogissun



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PostPosted: Fri Oct 15, 2010 2:26 pm Reply with quote
This week's flake still thinking Zac was in charge of answerman is easily one of the best in a while.
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CG-LOVER



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PostPosted: Fri Oct 15, 2010 3:07 pm Reply with quote
I agree 100% with the answerman on buying DVDs from NA distributors. Sure maybe it won't look perfect, but if you like the show enough that shouldn't stop you form buying it.

As of now the only think I can thinking to keep the industry going is to keep trying to find some way to make a substantial profit online. Either that or find some way to convince fans to stop stealing the product, which seems impossible right now.
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Charred Knight



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PostPosted: Fri Oct 15, 2010 3:15 pm Reply with quote
From what I have seen Crunchyroll has done a pretty good job of getting a wide variety of series, not the best but considering how the Japanese are not exactly all that interested in streaming in america, their obviously trying.
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CatoriStar



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PostPosted: Fri Oct 15, 2010 3:19 pm Reply with quote
That’s the funniest Flake of the Week I’ve seen since Luna Silvermoon (? w/e her name was) wrote in that Zac shouldn’t discourage the Naruto kid looking for his inner fox spirit – or something along those lines lol.
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DavidShallcross



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PostPosted: Fri Oct 15, 2010 3:36 pm Reply with quote
I think the only way to expand the market is to get new shows on television at hours when casual viewers might be watching. That's the way it worked in the 20th century.
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Ranma824



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PostPosted: Fri Oct 15, 2010 3:55 pm Reply with quote
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I was wondering if you could help explain to me why, every season it seems, most of the new anime that Crunchyroll simulcasts generally seems to be the bottom-of-the-barrel shows of the season.


CR has such a wide variety of shows, whether it be a new season or adding anime from previous years, that it makes me assume that this person shouldn't really be taken seriously when they say "CR has crappy shows".
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TatsuGero23



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PostPosted: Fri Oct 15, 2010 4:01 pm Reply with quote
I feel CR has been better with it's selection too. In any case, people should know by now that CR gets like 3rd or 4th picks because studios and producers will look towards the DVD licensers like Funi, Viz, Bandai and Sentai first. Of course CR already stated that their MO is everything possible from Japan in a legal format where fans and producers can benefit.

Flake was... interesting. He has a slight point of "people spend money on other things too" but if they guy still watches alot of anime then it's just another excuse. If he does through legit channels or is blocked out by region blocks then fine. It's cool. But only via fansubs when legal sources available? Excuses and nothing more. The model and structure for the way TV/movies and their DVD counterparts work, works on a different level from how anime and their DVDs works and also different from the fansubs and "go buy the DVD" relationship.

Funny that he talks about Avatar cause odds are he/it BOUGHT a ticket to see the movie. That there already makes it a different scenario from the "go buy the DVDs to show support for your favorite anime" that the Flake is complaining about. Funny how we tend to associate similar things with the same reasoning or conclusion when they can actually be fairly different on a fundemental level.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 15, 2010 4:19 pm Reply with quote
JaQiLinOtaku wrote:
Funny you mention that because actually for ages until I saw an actual picture of you I always had this image in my head of Zac/Answerman = Howl Anime hyper First impressions stick I guess Laughing

And I always imagined he sounded like Darth Vader. Podcasts were ear-opening.
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Paploo



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PostPosted: Fri Oct 15, 2010 4:29 pm Reply with quote
The stuff about comic publishing was pretty spot on, though to put things in perspective, there are several pubs who specialize in original graphic novels that aren't artsy fartsy or Marvel/DC clones, with a decent amount of reach, though most online manga fans tend to ignore their output. Slave Labour, Oni Press [who I imagine will likely use the mighty power of Scott Pilgrim Profits to keep their GN business going for a good while], IDW and Antarctic Press are probably the longest running/most stable of these comic-specific pubs. Though of these, only SLG and Antarctic Press have an open submissions policy- most publishers prefer to solicit submissions from artists at cons or based on self published work, to avoid the dreaded piles of unwanted Naruto/Spiderman/GenericWarrenEllis comic clones or NeverEnding200IssueEpic they won't touch with a ten foot pole.

If you're starting off, generally a 1-shot OGN is the best thing to submit. If you want to do a longer story, self publish it as a webcomic and go from there [which is handy at building experience].

There's also Image, though the set up they use for most of their line basically has you selfpublishing it and them acting as an ad-buyer/distributor/editorofsorts for you. This is if you submit a project to Image itslelf though- if you submit it to one of their imprints, they act as the publisher [ie- the Shadowline or Top Cow or the King City relaunch Image did]. Top Cow is also relaunching their Minotaur Press line for b+w, nonsuperheroy books, so there might be a little diversification there.

So um yeah, Image is confusing- either you're selfpublishing with them as member, or you get published by someone who is a member [ie= Top Cow]. It's basically a Co-Op publisher, bundling several small but substantical publishers together to make a bigger presence with more buyer/distribution power. They've also done some manga style books, from Lea Hernandez's Texas Steampunk series [whose digest size trim and $10 price predated the manga boom], Dreamwave's early titles, Udon when they were starting out with their Capcom titles, and Sho Murase's Shurei and more recently stuff like the reedition of King City and I Kill Monsters [which I need to get- it looks awesome], among many others.

The bigger pubs like DC/Marvel or say, Yen Press or other Graphic Novel imprints of large, powerful book publishers [ First Second for example], tend to keep an eye on this pool and on those selfpublishing successfully, and solicit submissions at Cons or in other ways, and use this to keep their talent pool growing.

The big book publisher imprints like Scholastic's Graphix and First Second and a few other imprints are the secret weapon superhero and manga fans ignore, pumping out tons of titles and keeping lots of artists well employed. Graphix in particular is a major pull- Bone has sold millions [after having sold insanely well as an indy comic for a decade mind you, but Scholastic made it the easily available, must read for everyone it always should of been], and they've had other titles do really well too.

So yeah, basically, there are a few more options out there, but that's the thing- a few. It is insanely hard to break into, and it requires an insane amount of dedication, and time, and effort. And it's not an instant step into wealth- if you're successful, you can make a living at it, but don't count on fame and fortune, and many wellknown artists still have dayjobs or tons of commercial freelance work outside of comics that keeps them going [some glamourous like say indy comicker Scott Morris becoming a Pixar storyboard artist, but for other stuff like illustrating textbooks or other random illustration jobs]. Same as in Japan. And if you do manage to somehow land a tv or movie deal, it's a result of goodtiming/luck and decades of hard work and for many, borderline poverty.

So yeah, comicking- not for the weak. And again, Brian's post is prett much spot on. Warts and all. I'm just dropping in a few other tidbits, but he's pretty realistic about it all. And webcomics are not the path to fame and fortune most suspect either- they've just made selfpublishing less costly, but it's still a ton of work if you want to succeed at say, MegaTokyo, Templar AZ, Cat and Girl or Achewood's level.

There's also the fact that in addition to having to deal with all the rollercoastering of publishers, selfpublishing, submisions, making a living, *getting the comics made* there's a vast army of idiots on the internet who think comics magically appear, take not time or effort to make, and are some magical thing you should shoot at them with no expectations of appreciation. There's some fans who are really, really, great and make it totally worth it, but there's also a horde of people working to ripoff or hate on artists everyday- whether it's the people who are torrenting books of cartoonists I know, or crazy people who are superdeluded and thinkg that their traced Naruto/Spiderman artwork is the best ever, and whyaren'tyoupayingattentiontothem, or sneaky people who think you won't notice if they use your artwork on a t-shirt their selling. Just look at the comments here on ANN where people say stuff about "greedy artists". Don't let the douchebags out there get you down. Despite the obnoxiousness of that stuff, there's a decent level of people out there who like comics, want to read them, and want to support new and exciting artists, so keep at it.


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Oneeyedjacks



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PostPosted: Fri Oct 15, 2010 4:37 pm Reply with quote
Ranma824 wrote:
CR has such a wide variety of shows, whether it be a new season or adding anime from previous years, that it makes me assume that this person shouldn't really be taken seriously when they say "CR has crappy shows".


He was referring strictly to the new seasons of shows Crunchyroll simulcasts, not to the anime from previous years they've put up.

And it was never stated that "Crunchyroll has crappy shows". It was acknowledged that they've got some really good ones. The question was simply, why do they go after those particular types of shows that people like Brian, and Zac seem to dread so much each new season.
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Dragynstorm



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PostPosted: Fri Oct 15, 2010 4:45 pm Reply with quote
I have to disagree with your assessment of how idyllic Bakuman is. Sure it's generally positive, but it's not all roses. I mean, I don't think spoiler[ending up in the hospital because of overwork] is idyllic, or having spoiler[your series cancelled] is positive. Plus spoiler[ Mashiro DID work as an assistant because Ashirogi Muto's stuff isn't getting published.]

People do get lucky(?) and can get started after winning a contest or something. I mean, getting a series published early on isn't unrealistic. I think Blade of the Immortal's mangaka started that way, and I believe that's how Mushishi began. (Not entirely sure though, sorry!) Life isn't all doom and gloom for mangka. Sometimes people are just that skilled, and sometimes you try and fail, and have to resort to less-than-desireable methods to make money.

Doujinshi generally don't bring in a ton of cash unless you're a very popular circle, and out of the number of circles out there… there aren't that many. I've never heard of any failed mangaka making ends meet with doujin let alone any that are making doujin people care about. But I'm not an expert. What is common (well, more common, I guess?) is getting picked up after doing doujin to do legit porn manga in one of the many ero manga mags and then moving on from there to do legit manga (Like Oh! Great). Or even just going from non-pron doujin to "legit" stuff (Like Yoshitoshi ABe).


Flake of the week was quite good this week, brought a big smile to my face!

Hey Em: Ghost Slayers Ayashi has a 39-year old as the main character. He's not bad-looking and he's pretty cool. Seieri no Moribito's Balsa is a bit older (in her 30s? I don't remember) too. It's really unfortunate that awesome, important "older" characters are fairly rare though.
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