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penguintruth



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PostPosted: Fri Nov 19, 2010 8:09 pm Reply with quote
The big payoff to the "no balls" joke would be later when Bulma flashes Roshi for a Dragon Ball, not knowing she wasn't wearing any underwear at the time. She doesn't discover this until she gets back in the capsule house.
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Paploo



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PostPosted: Fri Nov 19, 2010 8:31 pm Reply with quote
I think the guilt some people feel about using libraries comes from the unwarranted, super crazy way some people use the existence of libraries to justify their piracy.
If you're using libraries, you have nothing to feel guilty about- your taxes pay for those books, and libraries are a valid market and marketing tool for publishers.
http://manga.about.com/​od/​readingcollectingman​ga/​a/​Libraries-​Are-​Not-​The-​Same-​As-​Manga-​Scanlation-​Sites.​htm
Deb Aoki commissioned this article to explain thigns, and I think Robin Brenner really lays the issues and facts out well. You have nothing to worry about if you use your library to get your manga/anime. More people using scan sites should turn to this as an alternative in all honesty

http://www.publishersweekly.com/​pw/​by-​topic/​book-​news/​comics/​article/​43512-​graphic-​novels-​in-​the-​spotlight-​at-​ala-​.​html

"The programming was organized by John Shableski, sales manager at Diamond Book Distributors. He estimates that sales to libraries account for about 7 to 10 percent of the U.S. graphic novel market, but those sales are influential beyond their numbers. "Libraries are like radio stations: You hear the song on the radio and you buy the record," he said. "They have a much greater impact on the market than most people appreciate."

And for many small press publications, that percentage is often higher- libraries get books printed. Scholastic does hardcover editions of their Graphix GN line primarily for the library market, and I have a keen graphic novel catalogue (thanks to a friend- it has Captain America and PowerPack by GuriHiru on the cover Smile ) marketed at libraries, with all kinds of permabound and hardcover editions of stuff like Marvel's kids digests and educational comics printed primarily for the library market.

I think the fact that publishers actively embrace/market to libraries and send review copies to Library Journal shows their importance as a marke to them, while we know the stance of most publishers/artists to piracy. It totally bites that some kids who use libraries for their comics are getting guilt trips because of crazy manga people who sully libraries names while trying to vindicate their crimes.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 19, 2010 8:40 pm Reply with quote
Interesting response to the question about kids programs in Japan and America. I was thinking about the One Piece manga and anime and some of the more mature material. It's been going on for years now, so when the fans first got into it, they were younger and they've gradually gotten older, so it makes sense for the series to become more adult. It'd be nice if the US made kid shows for a variety of age groups like Japan but that probably won't happen anytime soon, if ever.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 19, 2010 8:50 pm Reply with quote
w00t! This makes it the second time I've made a question to Answerman (the one regarding english anime openings). This cheered me up some, actually, after the realization of not making the proper preparations to stay an extra night on campus before a week-long thanksgiving break (probable result of that failure: a $75 fine).

Yeah, perhaps there really isn't much more reasoning that could be gleaned. After all, the free will to like something or believe in something can't be a matter of mere arithmetic (Dostoevsky was right!). Sometimes, there isn't no explicit WHY to "coolness." One thing I didn't consciously realized before, though, was how all these mentioned shows had a very significant "edge" to them, as you said. So perhaps another possible reason that such shows have full-english songs is that, being aimed at what ought to be a generally older audience, the lyrics of the song could be better understood understood by the better-learned viewers? Unless I'm significantly overstating the English proficiency of Japanese young adults...

Regarding that second question about getting manga from the library... I've actually been a bit intellectually concerned myself Embarassed . Thanks for answering that as well.

One more thing.... when you talk of only having a month and a half of this to go, are you just talking bout the remainder of 2010? Or might you actually not do anymore Answerman come January...?
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Gasero



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PostPosted: Fri Nov 19, 2010 8:55 pm Reply with quote
What age do we live in when people can't even feel safe going to the library to consume media? To be honest, I'd be more glad if you went to support your local library to keep it open. I'd love for you to support the industry you like as well, but libraries have a very important purpose.

penguintruth wrote:
The big payoff to the "no balls" joke would be later when Bulma flashes Roshi for a Dragon Ball, not knowing she wasn't wearing any underwear at the time. She doesn't discover this until she gets back in the capsule house.
I must not have been paying attention to that. Toriyama was very perverted, huh? Teenager doing that, really?
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RoverTX



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PostPosted: Fri Nov 19, 2010 9:03 pm Reply with quote
@the last question about Dragon ball and issues of whats really a kid show.

My dad when I was 12 gave me a copy of "Red Sky at Morning" a coming of age tale about a kid growing up in a small town in New Mexico (or maybe Colorado its been a while since I read it). The book isn't exactly all happiness and sunshine and the main character has a way of describing the women around him. The book is also littered with 1940's cuss words, a wierd older hippy artist friend who seems to always be drunk and with a new cheap girl,just generally stupid behavior, the death of family members, a really drunk mother, stabbings and rape.

When I was 16 he freaked out over me watching Yu Yu Hakosho..... yeah

Anyway my point is that in the west what is age appropriate depends a lot more on the median the media is in then the actually media it's self sometimes. I mean really if you took that scene from Dragon Ball and wrote it out happening to a wild boy in the midwest sometime in the 1950's and threw in a whole bunch of manly things and teenage talk about boobs it would be an instant hit coming of age story....
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here-and-faraway



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PostPosted: Fri Nov 19, 2010 9:22 pm Reply with quote
Obviously what's considered appropriate for kids in America and what is considered appropriate for kids in Japan is different. But I gotta say, as an American parent, I feel comfortable having my young son watch the early Dragonball episodes.

My son's a kid, and like Goku, nudity isn't an issue for him. He'd run naked up and down the streets if I'd let him. To me, the Bulma/Goku scene is poking fun at Goku's innocence rather than something sleazy. But to each their own. Of course you wouldn't see it in Dexter's Laboratory or Mickey Mouse Club House.

Edit: But maybe you'd see it in Spongebob...
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operanime



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PostPosted: Fri Nov 19, 2010 9:30 pm Reply with quote
I did write a reply to the Hey Answerfans, but didn't send it, because it rambled a lot...

But everyone knows that Millennium actress
deserved much adoration.
My trust in the Oscars was forever destroyed
by it's lack of nomination. :P
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 19, 2010 11:10 pm Reply with quote
Yes, yes, YES!! Use your library! Your taxes pay for it, those books are yours as much as they are anyone else's! It's the perfect model of successful small-scale socialism!

I read almost everything via the library first before making a decision on whether or not to buy. If not, that's usually because I borrowed it from someone else or, well, read fan translations. I try to avoid the latter not just for copyright issues but because I hate hate hate reading on my computer. Give me libraries any day! I love libraries! I put in order requests on manga! I use interlibrary loans! I helped pass an expansion on my local library! Libraries!

*pant*pant*

Okay, now that I have that out of my system... I have an answer for a Answerfan question, finally. Must needs write it up. Also have a question ask. Busy busy busy.
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Mohawk52



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PostPosted: Fri Nov 19, 2010 11:11 pm Reply with quote
penguintruth wrote:
The big payoff to the "no balls" joke would be later when Bulma flashes Roshi for a Dragon Ball, not knowing she wasn't wearing any underwear at the time. She doesn't discover this until she gets back in the capsule house.
How can one, with all their faculties, not know they aren't wearing underwear? Never mind. Rolling Eyes

I'm thankful for still being alive, and making a wage, from this time last year. Wink
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 19, 2010 11:13 pm Reply with quote
Mohawk52 wrote:
penguintruth wrote:
The big payoff to the "no balls" joke would be later when Bulma flashes Roshi for a Dragon Ball, not knowing she wasn't wearing any underwear at the time. She doesn't discover this until she gets back in the capsule house.
How can one, with all their faculties, not know they aren't wearing underwear? Never mind. Rolling Eyes

...I thought I was the only one wondering that. How can someone just not know? I'd think it'd be fairly obvious. Though, for the sake of fanservice, logic is periodically thrown out the window...
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Kidnicky



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PostPosted: Fri Nov 19, 2010 11:27 pm Reply with quote
Cartoon Network is starting to have shows not really OK for little kids but OK for tweens during prime time. Regular Show,Mas,Symbionic Titan,a couple others. They'll say minor swears like "pissed off".
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Xanas



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PostPosted: Fri Nov 19, 2010 11:38 pm Reply with quote
Paploo wrote:
I think the guilt some people feel about using libraries comes from the unwarranted, super crazy way some people use the existence of libraries to justify their piracy.

My only problem with libraries is that they are usually supported by taxation, which I see as actual theft unless the person is voluntarily giving their money.

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http://manga.about.com/​od/​readingcollectingman​ga/​a/​Libraries-​Are-​Not-​The-​Same-​As-​Manga-​Scanlation-​Sites.​htm

As a voluntarist, i think libraries are (mildly) worse because the more books they have to buy the more they have to take in taxes. The more use of libraries the higher cost and the higher the taxes (again, forced theft from people who aren't voluntarily paying).

At least when people download on the internet they are paying for the internet connection, and the uploader is paying for his internet connection.

To see libraries as better I have to have absolutely no problem with the government stealing from people (if it's wrong for the individual I see no reason why geographical monopolies of force should be ok to do it) and I have to believe in the mystical realm of IP or have to believe in the social contract theory of government (I don't).

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You hear the song on the radio and you buy the record," he said. "They have a much greater impact on the market than most people appreciate."

The argument applies to piracy also.
http://arstechnica.com/​old/​content/​2006/​03/​6418.​ars

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It totally bites that some kids who use libraries for their comics are getting guilt trips because of crazy manga people who sully libraries names while trying to vindicate their crimes.

I don't think they should get guilt trips because the government is (or will soon) steal from them to pay for the libraries and all the other things government does inefficiently. They should use libraries if they are convenient and have what they want. They should buy the products if they like the product and/or want to support artists/authors and they shouldn't count on anyone else paying due to being forced via taxation or threat of force via laws restricting copying.
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 20, 2010 12:14 am Reply with quote
I considered writing a response to the Answerfans question, but looking back at 2010 I realized that Summer Wars was probably the best anime movie of the year and would have to compete against Toy Story 3. You've gotta hand it to the folks at Pixar, they know how to make a good movie (not just a good animated movie, a good movie period). Most years when Pixar has debuted a movie, anime movies just haven't quite matched up.

Of course, Paprika was a significantly better movie than Happy Feet (2006 oscar for best animated feature) and didn't even get to compete (I think it was submitted for nomination, but didn't make it to the final 3).
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 20, 2010 12:28 am Reply with quote
Xanas wrote:
As a voluntarist, i think libraries are (mildly) worse because the more books they have to buy the more they have to take in taxes. The more use of libraries the higher cost and the higher the taxes (again, forced theft from people who aren't voluntarily paying).

Yes. Because when elected officials pass tax laws and democratic referendums pass, then this is "forced theft." /facepalm

Welcome to democracy, kiddo. Sometimes we do things for the greater good of our communities, things that cannot be accomplished individually. Hence we have taxes. It's a pragmatic issue, and if you don't like it, then vote and advocate.

But a taxless society wouldn't have roads, police, firefighters, schools, Social Security, Medicare, etc. etc. -- at least not for most people. The obscenely rich could of course provide for themselves, but that would only lead to an entrenchment of class barriers as only a limited number people would have a chance to advance themselves. You know, like back in pre-democratic times.

Any vision of a taxless society is dystopian. Period. Now, how much should taxes be and what should they cover? That's an issue that can be reasonably debated.
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