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Gilles Poitras



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PostPosted: Sat Nov 20, 2010 4:40 pm Reply with quote
One thing to remember when you check something out of a public (or school) library.

Statistics!

Each checkout is counted, if a particular series circulates well worn out or lost volumes will be replaced. Other series will be bought, shelf space will be given for similar stuff. Events and clubs may be created etc.

As a librarian I think it's cool that libraries have been setting up go clubs due to the popularity of Hikaru no Go or anime clubs, discussion groups, etc.

Those checkouts, called circulations in the trade, are also used when discussing budgets both within the library for materials and with the local government to get more funding.

So checkout and enjoy!!!
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Xanas



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PostPosted: Sat Nov 20, 2010 5:04 pm Reply with quote
vashfanatic wrote:

Back in your glorious Wild West, scam artists created fake medicine consisting mostly of booze and stole hordes of money from innocent people.

Sources that aren't modern TV that show how "common" this was? It was not common. I'm not saying it didn't ever occur, but it wasn't common like you imagine. It's just more interesting for modern TV if things like this were the case.

The reality is the FDA prevents useful drugs that could extend or better people's lives to avoid looking bad by allowing something that will hurt some people (and it fails to accomplish this in some cases anyway).
http://www.fdareview.org/incentives.shtml


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Sunday Silence



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PostPosted: Sat Nov 20, 2010 5:06 pm Reply with quote
Xanas wrote:
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Back in your glorious Wild West, scam artists created fake medicine consisting mostly of booze and stole hordes of money from innocent people.

Sources that aren't modern TV that show how "common" this was? It was not common. I'm not saying it didn't ever occur, but it wasn't common like you imagine. It's just more interesting for modern TV if things like this were the case.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snake_Oil
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quackery
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Xanas



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PostPosted: Sat Nov 20, 2010 5:31 pm Reply with quote
Sunday Silence wrote:

PM'd you, but suffice it to say here that I'm not saying these things didn't and don't occur (Kevin Trudeau for modern example) but moreover to say they weren't more common to the degree that modern TV would advance.
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vashfanatic



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PostPosted: Sat Nov 20, 2010 5:35 pm Reply with quote
Let's all stop talking to Xanas. He is as true a believer as anyone I've encountered on the internet, and I hang out on blogs where hard-line fundamentalists and atheists go at it like mad. Oh, and don't PM me anymore, Xanas, I'm not going to read it. I'm only slightly right of socialist myself and you're not going to change my mind any more than I will change yours. Wink

Back on topic, might want to mention that lots of libraries have anime, too; in fact, in all the towns I've lived in, the libraries have actually had more anime than the local rental places (though of course it was the art house place that had Paranoia Agent, bless 'em). I think it's a result of a number of things:

First, our fandom often skews quite young. A lack of money will encourage turning to free (in the short run) collections. Second, as a fandom we are collectors. We'd rather save our money and buy them once we've previewed them rather than spending money on rentals. Finally, as a fandom we're too small for many stores to want to stock up on a huge amount of anime, on the grounds of simple profit margins.

Of course, brick-and-mortar stores themselves are starting to go obsolete in the face of Netflix and Redbox, and I know Netflix has a ton of anime.
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Xanas



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PostPosted: Sat Nov 20, 2010 5:46 pm Reply with quote
I'm fine with "to each his own." I also admit to being a "true believer" as saying what I think while not believing in it would make little sense unless I were playing devil's advocate.
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dewlwieldthedarpachief



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PostPosted: Sat Nov 20, 2010 6:07 pm Reply with quote
Brian of Answerman wrote:
Should you buy as much as you can to support the industry? Well, yeah, of course. The industry needs it. But if you're having trouble supporting yourself, the industry can wait. There's many, many ways to watch anime and read manga that are completely free and totally legal and everyone should be using them. Watch streaming video on Hulu or Crunchyroll or right here. Check out manga from the library. Rent stuff from Netflix. That's all well and good.


What about quality? Being in the extreme minority of people who will happily fork it over for raw region 2 discs if the alternatives are unsatisfactory, I realize virtually no one actually cares about fidelity beyond something that is legible. However, I'm sure even the fandom at large has a tolerance threshold. Is your support of the industry a charitable effort, or one that demands some kind of merit?

CCSYueh wrote:
So many bases to cover.
Not unlike some people wearing shirts, getting tattoos, etc of Japanese or Chinese characters without actually knowing what they say because it seems cool, Japanese like English words in that same mode. There's also the alien aspect of it. Toriyama stated when he went to name Vegeta's attacks he reasoned Vegeta would name them in his own language so they should sound alien. To Toriyama, English sounded pretty alien.
So they might use English to seem cool, or they may also use it to denote strangeness-something not naturally Japanese.


For simple words and phrases the requisite English part of Japanese education provides for some general knowledge?

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There is nothing wrong with showing DB to 3 yr olds. Sorry.
Take an hour or 3 to watch some of the old Looney Tunes from the 30's & 40's. These cartoons were made like DB to appeal to the children, but also the adults who may also be in the audience. Problem is we're getting to be a paranoid lot. Even though we all grew up on Looney Tunes, they're too violent for our children!


Rightly said. And the more people tighten their grip on this thing, the more prone kids are slip out of it. I like to think the ignorance will die down with time, but my left hemisphere just cracks up. Glad some people get it anyhow. Smile

vashfanatic wrote:
Of course, brick-and-mortar stores themselves are starting to go obsolete in the face of Netflix and Redbox, and I know Netflix has a ton of anime.


Unless you live in Canada, where Netflix offers only their "excellent" streaming service. Rolling Eyes See you in another decade, today technology.
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Zalis116
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 20, 2010 6:52 pm Reply with quote
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There's many, many ways to watch anime and read manga that are completely free and totally legal and everyone should be using them. Watch streaming video on Hulu or Crunchyroll or right here. Check out manga from the library. Rent stuff from Netflix. That's all well and good.
Umm... one of these things is not "completely free."

vashfanatic wrote:
It's a naive, absurd argument that would undo 90% of the social progress we've seen over the years.
But don't you know? Progressivism is cancer, a cancer that leads us to Nazi Communist Fascist Socialist Nazism!
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Asuron



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PostPosted: Sat Nov 20, 2010 8:25 pm Reply with quote
Xanas wrote:
I don't mean to divert the whole thing here (I do want to show there is a totally different point of view), so I intend this to be my only response, if you want to go further please PM me about it.

vashfanatic wrote:

Yes. Because when elected officials pass tax laws and democratic referendums pass, then this is "forced theft." /facepalm

Yes, because not everyone agrees with the laws. What makes your majority magic? Why is it not ok for me to personally steal but if I join the majority of some group in asking for some farm subsidy or what-not that it's now ok for me to steal?

vashfanatic wrote:

Welcome to democracy, kiddo. Sometimes we do things for the greater good of our communities, things that cannot be accomplished individually. Hence we have taxes. It's a pragmatic issue, and if you don't like it, then vote and advocate.

Were computers made by governments? Was medicine discovered by governments? In some cases perhaps but not in all cases. There is something called the division of labor that is possible through trade and the market. It works much better than the government will ever work towards achieving goals and it doesn't require a monopoly of coercive force and the theft of people's income. Nor does it require any redistributionary policies that favor consumption over production.

vashfanatic wrote:

But a taxless society wouldn't have roads, police, firefighters, schools, Social Security, Medicare, etc. etc. -- at least not for most people. The obscenely rich could of course provide for themselves, but that would only lead to an entrenchment of class barriers as only a limited number people would have a chance to advance themselves. You know, like back in pre-democratic times.

Please read about the "Wild West" (it wasn't that wild at all) of mid and late 19th century US. There absolutely have been private solutions to your police, firefighters, roads, etc. Generally they were not needed nearly so much as you would imagine. The reasons for many of the ills of society is in fact due to the perverse incentive structure created by governments.

On the matter of fire/police/etc. everyone pays for some kind of insurance in modern society. Insurance companies would probably either pay for those services in accordance with need for them or perhaps run their own internal outfit (for a lot of reasons that would probably be out-sourced).

vashfanatic wrote:

Any vision of a taxless society is dystopian. Period. Now, how much should taxes be and what should they cover? That's an issue that can be reasonably debated.

Well, first, as a voluntarist I don't think society without a monopoly on force is a utopia. There will still be problems because ultimately humans are the source of problems in governments. However, the structure and incentives created by monopoly-mafia-based society are corrupting influences from the outset. Even the best of people do terrible things with power they gain only by being able to threaten force against others.


Every time I read this nonense my mind is boggled
Xanas you don't actually believe that your right do you?
Especially when you stated that the Wild West was a better era than we currently have now
There were so many problems back then, it's impossible to list them all
I don't know if you came to this conclusion yourself, or if someones been indoctrinating you with it or whatever else it may be, but everything you have said is complete and utter nonsense I'm sorry to say
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dewlwieldthedarpachief



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PostPosted: Sat Nov 20, 2010 10:02 pm Reply with quote
Uh oh... Shocked

Might I suggest the PM function?
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mdo7



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PostPosted: Sat Nov 20, 2010 10:07 pm Reply with quote
I'm not going to point out the library thing.

But I like how you point out about the what acceptable for children and which is not. Anime is not the only one censor on American TV. I found out Spider-man: the animated series was censored from the beginning despite being successful. Here's a interview with one of the writer backing up this censorship on Spiderman. Also a lot of Looney Tunes from the 40's and 50's got censored on TV when they were rebroadcasted in the 80's and 90's. The one Looney Tunes that got censored the most was Hillbilly Hare.
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Xanas



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PostPosted: Sat Nov 20, 2010 11:18 pm Reply with quote
Asuron wrote:

Every time I read this nonense my mind is boggled
Xanas you don't actually believe that your right do you?
Especially when you stated that the Wild West was a better era than we currently have now
There were so many problems back then, it's impossible to list them all
I don't know if you came to this conclusion yourself, or if someones been indoctrinating you with it or whatever else it may be, but everything you have said is complete and utter nonsense I'm sorry to say

Asuron, I think part of the issue is probably that you mistake my position somewhat, but I'm sure you wouldn't agree with me anyway.

On the matter of the Wild West I wouldn't say that it was universally a better era than exists now. That time in history had a lot of taking of land from natives who rightfully held it and I absolutely disagree with lots of things that went on at the time (although I'd hardly call those who conducted the forced migrations compatible with the philosophy of voluntarism).

I also am well aware of the benefits of the modern era in terms of technology/etc. I don't think those things exist because government made them possible. If anything I'd say the good we have is in spite of governments.

As for indoctrination, the government indoctrinates almost all of us from the age of 5 in the US through the government school system.
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YotaruVegeta



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PostPosted: Sat Nov 20, 2010 11:45 pm Reply with quote
America is weird, because the powers that be still act puritanical in the face of sexual content, but we LOVE porn.

Japan is weird because some of the content they don't bat an eyelash in would be seen as inappropriate and perverse in somewhere like America, but they mosaic out private areas- even cartoon private areas.

The dragonball joke is a joke that could very well happen because kids are innocent and they don't know the ins and outs of reproductive organs.

"Oh no, get the pitch forks and the torches out! It's seeeeeeex!" I never understood that.
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CCSYueh



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PostPosted: Sun Nov 21, 2010 1:24 am Reply with quote
dewlwieldthedarpachief wrote:

For simple words and phrases the requisite English part of Japanese education provides for some general knowledge?

I had 2 years of German in High School. I remember a half-dozen words. Most adults forget any language they learned in school unless they use it.
Just look at the English phrases in the Japanese track of the average anime. It's strange because they DO allegedly learn it in school, & in our stuff they usually get someone to check the foreign language stuff in the name of verifying the title. (Some viewer would have it up on the net as a blooper so fast...)

The purpose of libraries isn't really to share books. The purpose is to promote reading. An educated public is vital for a democracy & reading is vital to the ability to keep up on issues. Most of the reading programs I've seen seem to promote getting books into the hands of those who would not be able or obtain them otherwise, not so people can read Harry Potter for free rather than buying the books. This is why people who point at libraries as an excuse for their own piracy are wrong.
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ikillchicken



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PostPosted: Sun Nov 21, 2010 3:24 am Reply with quote
dewlwieldthedarpachief wrote:
vashfanatic wrote:
Of course, brick-and-mortar stores themselves are starting to go obsolete in the face of Netflix and Redbox, and I know Netflix has a ton of anime.


Unless you live in Canada, where Netflix offers only their "excellent" streaming service. Rolling Eyes See you in another decade, today technology.


Are you familiar with Zip.ca? It's basically the same as Netflix as far as I know except for Canada. They've got a pretty good selection of anime.
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