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tuxedocat
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Well, http://www.wired.com/epicenter/2010/11/coica-web-censorship-bill/comment-page-2/ But like you say, people can work the loopholes, if they know what to do. Most people are too lazy, though, and just move on to the next thing. If this bill passes in Japan, the worst thing that could happen is (tada!) nothing. All the content will just have an age rating on it. I don't think it will make a difference at all as to what people over here see. People in Japan might have to go to a different section of the store to retrieve a copy and show ID to buy it. Not that big of a deal, I think. The best thing that could happen would be that the studios might give the world better storytelling, original content, a more exportable product, etc. --Not holding my breath on that one though. Har har. |
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matrixdude
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The government will be directly involved in deciding what is allowed and what isn't allowed. They'll also be allowed to, from the article's source, "If the November revision draft is passed as is, the Tokyo Metropolitan Government will have the authority to define the following additional material as harmful to youth and restrict their circulation unilaterally." So they're trying to restrict anything sexual from being sold or aired to tv. Not that they broadcast a lot of those things anyways, but things like Highschool of the dead probably wouldn't get another season because they can't air it. While it isn't probably going to pass, it's no laughing matter if it does. Just think of how many series manga and anime have used some form of sex appeal to help sell, a lot. Restricting the material usually indicates tv broadcast for anime and being in a magazine for manga. No tv broadcasts means straight to dvd and manga, well, good luck there. It's not about websites like you put it Olivine, it's about actual products. If you can't sell a tankobon or publish it in a magazine, it dies. If you can't broadcast an anime it dies. It still doesn't make any sense why they're trying to push this through. The problem also lies in that if it passes, it's most likely going to be adopted nationwide, so it'll be everywhere. period. I hope it doesn't pass. The last thing I want is to see perfectly good shows killed because some old people don't like upsetting the social order of them spending their retirement money on pachinko parlors.
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Zeiram
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also, keep in mind, the artists and writers have always found a way around restrictions. i nearly fear the consumers more than the regulators. people getting what they want all the time leaves me wanting more experimental works. that's life.
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enurtsol
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Let the Japanese sort themselves out. They've done well so far without our interference. You don't want foreigners interfering with Japan's anime, and the last thing the Japanese need are a bunch of foreigners interfering with their government, right?
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matrixdude
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You almost make it sound like we can actually do something. Almost, but if they like this much censorship, they should get some interference and implement the first amendment over there. |
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The Xenos
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Holy hell, this sounds even more conservative minded and fascist than the previous bill. This is some Jack Thompson level of bullxxxx. They're trying to make fictional depictions of acts as illegal as the acts themselves. It's Huckleberry Finn banned in Boston all over again. All in the name of preventing crimes by stopping fiction that could possibly cause someone to commit an act in the future. Welcome to the world of pre-crime and thought crime, people. The government wants to regulate your thoughts and make the crimes in your imagination illegal. A good citizen has a clean pure mind. Must purge those impure thought out by the rule of law.
Ugh. Creepy. I'd say I'm glad this problem is unique to Japan's conservative culture, but I know it's a rampant ideology and agenda in America too. |
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2DOtaku
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"Controversially vague"? I thought "nonexistent youths" was right on the nose.
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Mune
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Yeah, some Japanese anime and/or manga fans and/or creators should go knock some sense into their leaders...oh, wait, that would only prove that anime does in fact cause violence to occur.
It's a no-win situation. Honestly, this wouldn't be such a big deal to me if I weren't already planning to go to Japan for work in the near future. I just hope that this does pass, they see the repercussions and then change their minds very quickly or that they just throw out the bill completely. And honestly, how did this bill even come up in the first place? |
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Ojamajo LimePie
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Or not.
If I'm reading this correctly, marriage between adopted siblings is not an option. I'm totally against any bill that would put restrictions on great series like Utena. |
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DCR
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Wow! If that piece of s... is validated, there will be like 15 artists and 50 visitors in the next Comicket!
Anyway, I'm glad that the japanese government understand that the main danger for the youngs is fictional stories, not the so called "artistic" photo albums and DVD of 11 yo girls posing in bikinis. (yeah, it's sarcasm) (if this bill is rejected, will they do a revised version with "depiction of homosexual acts verboten" or "depiction of sex before marriage verboten"?) |
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jsyxx
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I hadn't thought about this, but ugh, you're right. >___< Looks like a classic work is going to meet the fate of what happened to Lolita soon for many years. Can't they focus on real problems, like the economy instead of made up moral indecency? Stupid conservatives. |
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Nemo_N
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The bolded portion is a part of the problem; most people are forgetting about all the shows/manga that will be caught by these restrictions. How many of us watched Utena while being underaged? Of course, they could make "special exceptions", but that would run contrary to the equal application of the law, with works being restricted to adults just for not being popular enough. |
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ZipZapZopTitania
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I just realized that this means Oreimo is going to die by the hand of Big Brother~ Sorry, Kiririn...and your eroge will cease to exist, too. *braces for tsuntsun pillow slam*
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vashfanatic
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No, they'll just release it as an OVA, which is what they used to do all the time.
Late-night broadcasts are little more than glorified advertising; all profits come from sales of DVDs and merchandise. In fact, a resurgence of OVAs may be the biggest result in the anime market should this bill be passed. The penalties seem... vague? They can "restrict" the access to minors, but what does that mean? Given that this is industry-enforced, it sounds like instituting a standardized rating system. But since our wonderful translator only decided to translate the "most offensive" parts of the bill, I don't know whether there would be any fines or other penalties for retailers who on purpose or accident still sell material to minors. Still waiting on that full translation... That said, when will lawmakers realize the ambiguity wasn't in the "nonexistent youths" but in the very definition of "harmful"? How do you determine which subject matter will cause kids to kill themselves and which won't? How do you determine whether Utena encourages incest or actually discourages it by portraying it as downright creepy (I'd argue the latter)? I can understand a crackdown on selling pornographic materials to minors, especially ones with lots of rape and violence, but when it comes to plain subject matter that can be addressed in teen literature, well, it would almost have to be case-by-case and dear heavens that would be a bureaucratic and logistic nightmare! Your heart may be in the right place about "protecting kids," but use your heads: can censorship of this kind be worked efficiently and fairly? No. Just stick to actually enforcing current pornography laws. [Oh, and Koi Kaze, which someone brought up, was not aimed at teenagers, it was seinen (so yes, it was aimed at 30-year old men, telling them it's okay to have sex with 15-year olds, but let's not have me rant on that again).] |
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teh*darkness
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You, and several others, seem to have missed or forgotten about the next paragraph that says the government would be able to unilaterally restrict anything it doesn't like. I'd say that's a little bit beyond self-regulation. And it doesn't say restrict the sale or rental of said content only to minors. It just says they can restrict it period. That would include OVAs. Unless that part is also vague, this bill means trouble, no two ways about it. The worst part is, by removing the phrase "non-existent youths", they've now widened the amount of content they are trying to ban, from series that could be targeted at minors and may contain "harmful" content, to series that may contain "harmful" content for minors but is targeted at and marketed to adults. While I'd like to hope this bill won't pass and they'll just give up, I doubt that will be the case. |
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