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No offense, folks, but I think the industry and their lawyers have a much better grasp on what the bill means for them after reading it in full and sifting through all of it's big legal terms, than some English speaking fans do after reading a couple loosely translated bullet points from the bill. If the industry is in an uproar over this bill it must be for a good reason and I have no reason to doubt them. For the most part these aren't companies that produce heavy adult content, but they're angry. If 10 manga companies say the bill is bad news, it's bad news.

Emerje

Emerje wrote:

No offense, folks, but I think the industry and their lawyers have a much better grasp on what the bill means for them after reading it in full and sifting through all of it's big legal terms, than some English speaking fans do after reading a couple loosely translated bullet points from the bill. If the industry is in an uproar over this bill it must be for a good reason and I have no reason to doubt them. For the most part these aren't companies that produce heavy adult content, but they're angry. If 10 manga companies say the bill is bad news, it's bad news.

Emerje

Or they can see it's bad news as a form of support for companies that do make that kind of material. It's a bit vague, yes, but still most companies aren't going to be affected by this bill (which by the way, probably isn't going to pass.) Industries have a logical tendency to cry foul over any sort of legislation passed...

Emerje wrote:

No offense, folks, but I think the industry and their lawyers have a much better grasp on what the bill means for them after reading it in full and sifting through all of it's big legal terms, than some English speaking fans do after reading a couple loosely translated bullet points from the bill. If the industry is in an uproar over this bill it must be for a good reason and I have no reason to doubt them. For the most part these aren't companies that produce heavy adult content, but they're angry. If 10 manga companies say the bill is bad news, it's bad news.

Emerje

Or they do make that kind of product as well as, and it's going to affect their profits when they have to restrict sales to their "best customers". Do you think Ghibli is one of those companies? Wink

Would anything be banned from this Bill, or would stuff just require someone over 18 to buy it? I hope they ban rape scenes, heck with it Ban all hentai's

chrisc1978 wrote:

Would anything be banned from this Bill, or would stuff just require someone over 18 to buy it? I hope they ban rape scenes, heck with it Ban all hentai's

The latter. Didn't the Shakers try that once? Wink

chrisc1978 wrote:

Would anything be banned from this Bill, or would stuff just require someone over 18 to buy it? I hope they ban rape scenes, heck with it Ban all hentai's

Let's regress a few centuries, shall we. What's next, burn perverts?

My thougths confirmed by Dan Kanemitsu: fanservice does not fall under this bill. Hard-core rape, loli, or any other form of hentai (including with cildren) also does not fall under this bill. (hard core stuff is already regulated.)

"Make sure to read my recent blog posts. I don’t want be correcting people over and over about the bill.
- This is a Tokyo ordinance bill, so while it is not a national legislation, it will still have a profound impact because all publishers and anime companies are centered in Tokyo.
- This is not a ban, but it penalizes any publisher and producer of material that Tokyo considers to be harmful to minors. Unlike in the US, retails have less responsibility, i.e. if a book they sell is marketed as a general audience by the publisher, but Tokyo deems it to be harmful, then it is the publisher’s responsibility to recall all the books.
- Tokyo already has the power to designate anything that is too sexually stimulating for minors OR too sadistic for minors OR too likely to cause criminal acts among minors OR cause suicide among minors as “harmful material”, and force such material to be treated as adult only material.
- This bill does not target simple nudity and panties showing up on the screen, but will make it more difficult to conduct social commentary on difficult issues of sex and relationships since fictional material must adhere to real life criminal codes AND not celebrate relationships between people who can’t marry in real life, or their material may be considered harmful to minors.
- This bill does not target “hentai” (which is a term we don’t even use in Japan). All material already marketed as adults only is exempt, since those titles are considered to be inaccessible to minors.
- And please be polite. Strong words are fine but respect keeps channels of commination open."

In other words: my hard core rape hentai (with schoolgirls jay!) won't be affected. Moe highschool comedy's with fanservice will stay completely unregulated. And in fact, the boys love magazines won't be harmed as well, so long as they simply have an 18+ logo on the front when they have hardcore sex in them... which is usually the case.

Social commentary? I don't care about that, I wanna be entertained. In other words, nothing to worry about =D And this comes from an industry lawyer and strong opponent!

And rape scenes are exciting... especially loli! =P

This otaku is happy that he can keep his überviolent action anime, cute highschool comedy's, and funny girl-gets-raped by alien anime, and is dar too ordinary for social commentary.

egoist wrote:

chrisc1978 wrote:

Would anything be banned from this Bill, or would stuff just require someone over 18 to buy it? I hope they ban rape scenes, heck with it Ban all hentai's

Let's regress a few centuries, shall we. What's next, burn perverts?

Well since not many Hentai's do not have rape scenes in them. The only people that buys that kind of stuff gets exited over rape scenes so it should be banned. The same goes for Hentai's that has characters that look under 18.

the-antihero wrote:

I just find it it weird that non-Japanese are being so offended.
Is it really that big of a deal. I say let the Japanese solve or create their own problems while we focus on our own countries issues.

"They came first for the Communists,
and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist.

Then they came for the trade unionists,
and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a trade unionist.

Then they came for the Jews,
and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Jew.

Then they came for me
and by that time no one was left to speak up."

Pastor Martin Niemöller (1892–1984)

In this case, it's about protecting freedom of speech. If we don't look out for each other, we're done for.

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[quote="Salsaman1991"]

the-antihero wrote:

I just find it it weird that non-Japanese are being so offended.
Is it really that big of a deal. I say let the Japanese solve or create their own problems while we focus on our own countries issues.

I forgot the name of that game that came out of japan the beginning of the year that got headlines of newspapers around the world a few times for its rape scenes. Alot of people thinks everything that comes out of Japan is the same as that game, Glorified rape and underage sex scenes hurts Japan like you wouldn't believe.

To think Japan is trying to sell more animes outside of Japan. My whole family is agained Anime. Its a good thing I don't listen to them. I just like animes such as Kanon, Clannad, Last Exile, and Chrono Crusade. and they think animes is only about rape scens.

[quote="chrisc1978"]

Salsaman1991 wrote:

the-antihero wrote:

I just find it it weird that non-Japanese are being so offended.
Is it really that big of a deal. I say let the Japanese solve or create their own problems while we focus on our own countries issues.

I forgot the name of that game that came out of japan the beginning of the year that got headlines of newspapers a few times for its rape scenes. Alot of people thinks everything that comes out of Japan is the same as that game, Glorified rape and underage sex scenes hurts Japan like you wouldn't believe.

And like I posted, is luckily exactly the kind of stuff that is NOT regulated by this proposed bill! xD Offcourse I gets excited over rape scenes, my girlfriend as well! IT's just funny to see little schoolgirls getting banged by monsters and crying =D And I don't have to worry about it being banned by this law, as this stuff is already regulated and thus nothing changes =D

BTW, you probably mean rapelay? I have that game on my pc, along with a few dozen others =D

[quote="chrisc1978"]

Salsaman1991 wrote:

the-antihero wrote:

I just find it it weird that non-Japanese are being so offended.
Is it really that big of a deal. I say let the Japanese solve or create their own problems while we focus on our own countries issues.

I forgot the name of that game that came out of japan the beginning of the year that got headlines of newspapers a few times for its rape scenes. Alot of people thinks everything that comes out of Japan is the same as that game, Glorified rape and underage sex scenes hurts Japan like you wouldn't believe.

By the way, a few months ago you opossed the first version and said "I hate any kind of censorship", you don't seem to know what you want Wink

(that comes from your post history Wink

)

[quote="eragon2890"]

chrisc1978 wrote:

Salsaman1991 wrote:

the-antihero wrote:

I just find it it weird that non-Japanese are being so offended.
Is it really that big of a deal. I say let the Japanese solve or create their own problems while we focus on our own countries issues.

I forgot the name of that game that came out of japan the beginning of the year that got headlines of newspapers a few times for its rape scenes. Alot of people thinks everything that comes out of Japan is the same as that game, Glorified rape and underage sex scenes hurts Japan like you wouldn't believe.

By the way, a few months ago you opossed the first version and said "I hate any kind of censorship", you don't seem to know what you want Wink

(that comes from your post history Wink

)

I don't think I ever said anything about being opossed to it. I am opossed to banning fan-service but I am all for banning Rap, Underage, and siblings sex scens

[quote="chrisc1978"]

eragon2890 wrote:

chrisc1978 wrote:

Salsaman1991 wrote:

the-antihero wrote:

I just find it it weird that non-Japanese are being so offended.
Is it really that big of a deal. I say let the Japanese solve or create their own problems while we focus on our own countries issues.

I forgot the name of that game that came out of japan the beginning of the year that got headlines of newspapers a few times for its rape scenes. Alot of people thinks everything that comes out of Japan is the same as that game, Glorified rape and underage sex scenes hurts Japan like you wouldn't believe.

By the way, a few months ago you opossed the first version and said "I hate any kind of censorship", you don't seem to know what you want Wink

(that comes from your post history Wink

)

I don't think I ever said anything about being opossed to it.

"it's logical that they oppose it, the definitions are far too vague". And "I just hate any kind of censorship" --> seems to be clear, no? Wink

[quote="chrisc1978"]

eragon2890 wrote:

chrisc1978 wrote:

Salsaman1991 wrote:

the-antihero wrote:

I just find it it weird that non-Japanese are being so offended.
Is it really that big of a deal. I say let the Japanese solve or create their own problems while we focus on our own countries issues.

I forgot the name of that game that came out of japan the beginning of the year that got headlines of newspapers a few times for its rape scenes. Alot of people thinks everything that comes out of Japan is the same as that game, Glorified rape and underage sex scenes hurts Japan like you wouldn't believe.

By the way, a few months ago you opossed the first version and said "I hate any kind of censorship", you don't seem to know what you want Wink

(that comes from your post history Wink

)

I don't think I ever said anything about being opossed to it. I am opossed to banning fan-service but I am all for banning Rap, Underage, and siblings sex scens

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And besides, do you want to ban yaoi as well then? Practically every anime fan likes that Anime smile

And let's not forget that (And I know this is Japan not America), the American Supreme Court destroyed a bill banning computer generated photo-releastic (so not even anime-style which is clearly fiction, these ones are unseperable from the real stuff!) child porn images as being unconstitutional under the First Amendment.

Wether you like it or not, Basic Rights tend to protect this kind of stuff. Which I am glad for, because there is no way in hell I am gonna let the government take away my Yaoi, or ero dating sims.

HEre in the Netherlands too, the High Court ruled that someone could not be convicted for virtual child pornography because no real children are harmed. I know this stuff because I am a member of a party here in the Netherlands & the responsible for all isues related to media policy (in the youth organisation of the party, I am a member of the "big" party as well, in which I am a member of the commision which organises and runs electoral campaigns") Wink

And as Dan Kanemitsu has said, and I agree, this law won't have any impact om loli rape and all that. It will however make it more difficult to produce social commentary about the position of women and such ... I am opposed to it for that reason, but it's not like I want that kind of stuff from anime anyway. I want moe, bloody action, etc. =D

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