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NEWS: Tokyo's Youth Ordinance Bill Approved by Committee


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Big Hed



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PostPosted: Mon Dec 13, 2010 5:15 am Reply with quote
Melanchthon wrote:
That being said, the industry did no favors to itself. Even a simple pledge or a symbolical gesture to address the concerns that the first bill raised could have helped ward against this. Instead, they air Yosuga no Sora.


When you put it that way, I have to admire feel. for stickin' it to The Man. Laughing

@eragon2890

I have also been reading Dan's blog, and am aware of his comments on "romance and social commentary". That's potentially an extremely broad category though, and again the language of the bill is non-specific. You're right, Tokyo Metropolitan already had the capacity to regulate sexual/graphic material before 156, so it isn't necessarily the case that they will suddenly start taking more definitive action now... But then again, these amendments have never gotten this type of support in parliament before, have they.

Dan also notes that the revised bill will effectively give TM the authority to unilaterally regulate distribution of material deemed socially disruptive/overglorifying/what have you. The most disturbing clause included in the bill to that end, is described here:

Dan Kanemitsu wrote:
3) Publishers that have over 6 works deemed to be harmful material within a one year period by the Tokyo Metropolitan Government shall be subject to referral to their respective self-regulatory bodies for addressing the repeated offenses. Any further breaches within the following 6 months, and the Tokyo Metropolitan Government will have the authority to release the name of the company to the public, and the Governor will have the authority to issue opinions and evidence to support that opinion.

In other words, if a publisher releases something that Tokyo deems to be harmful to minors more than 6 times within a 12 month period, then the self-regulator body that the publisher belongs to will be told to do something about this offending publisher. If the publisher offends once within 6 months after that process, the Governor will have the right to humiliate the publisher in a public forum, and when that happens, you can expect retailers and distributor to avoid carrying that publisher’s line of works.


So whether or not Judicial intervention on behalf of publishers is possible, TM can threaten serious damage to them for releasing material deemed harmful.


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chrisc1978



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PostPosted: Mon Dec 13, 2010 5:17 am Reply with quote
All it does is require someone 18+ to buy it.
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eragon2890



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PostPosted: Mon Dec 13, 2010 5:18 am Reply with quote
chrisc1978 wrote:
All it does is require someone 18+ to buy it.


Exacto (and maybe put a sticker on it saying 18+). and in fact, nothing that can not be regulated already can now be regulated; everything that falls under the new category can be construed (and in such a way that a judge might actually agree with it!) to fall under the current definitions already.

Move along, people, nothing to be seen here...
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Ojamajo LimePie



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PostPosted: Mon Dec 13, 2010 5:28 am Reply with quote
chrisc1978 wrote:
All it does is require someone 18+ to buy it.


A lot of stores won't stock 18+ items.
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eragon2890



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PostPosted: Mon Dec 13, 2010 5:32 am Reply with quote
Ojamajo LimePie wrote:
chrisc1978 wrote:
All it does is require someone 18+ to buy it.


A lot of stores won't stock 18+ items.


There will be enoug that do. Is it difficult to get "hentai" (ero) in Japan currently? No.

Also, like I said it's not likely that many more titles then usually will be deemed harmfull, because that was already possible under the old definition.

And last but not least, don't you guys think that if this really causes the anime industry to be chrushed (which it won't), and the economy of Japan to take huge damage (I thought 13% of Japanese export is entertainment currently? That is incredible damage), that the national government, seeying their country collapse, and being dominated by the DPJ, would step in and do something about it ?? The national government is spending millions and millions of dollars each year on promoting anime abroad, and even does stuff like "the ambassadors of cuteness". I find it highly unlikely they'd be amused if "Tokyo" tried to "destroy" the industry!
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Olivine



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PostPosted: Mon Dec 13, 2010 5:43 am Reply with quote
chrisc1978 wrote:
All it does is require someone 18+ to buy it.


Hey Ma! Come buy me this manga called, "Oniichan, Lets Join the Bath Club!~♥"

HEY MA!!!!

eragon2890 wrote:
I find it highly unlikely they'd be amused if "Tokyo" tried to "destroy" the industry!

That's exactly it, though. Because they are exporting so much of it, the government is trying to sterilize it to meet other countries' standards.


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dizzon



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PostPosted: Mon Dec 13, 2010 5:52 am Reply with quote
So this only applies to works being sold in Tokyo right? The industry doesn't have to stop making it or move to another city, but if they want to sell something in Tokyo these regulations would be implemented, if actually enforced?
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Daemonblue



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PostPosted: Mon Dec 13, 2010 5:58 am Reply with quote
Since most of the publishers are in Tokyo and the largest domestic market is also there, it may as well be a nationwide regulation. That said, hopefully it won't get past the full vote, because as others have said, this will only hurt manga and anime...even stuff like One Piece could technically fall under these vague definitions.
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hatersg2haet



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PostPosted: Mon Dec 13, 2010 6:00 am Reply with quote
ANN's own My Little Sister would be banned under this law. It glorifies the depiction of underage characters acquiring pornography that depicts underaged characters.

It would be a flat out ban.

Other things that would be banned under this measure:

Card Captor Sakura(illicit relationships between adults and minors, students and teachers, incest)

Evangelion (Illicit sexual situations involving a underage comatose patient)

Code Geass (Illicit sexual situations involving a underage girl and a table)

Should I go on?
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nicky_008



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PostPosted: Mon Dec 13, 2010 6:01 am Reply with quote
Just make it clear. They are tried to do the law's window dressing, right?

/me go back to sleep... Rolling Eyes
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enurtsol



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PostPosted: Mon Dec 13, 2010 6:06 am Reply with quote
This just means the bill will go on a vote.
What are ya guys so hang up about? Laughing
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hatersg2haet



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PostPosted: Mon Dec 13, 2010 6:08 am Reply with quote
enurtsol wrote:
This just means the bill will go on a vote.
What are ya guys so hang up about? Laughing


Because it has support from both political parties and will pass.
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enurtsol



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PostPosted: Mon Dec 13, 2010 6:15 am Reply with quote
hatersg2haet wrote:
enurtsol wrote:
This just means the bill will go on a vote.
What are ya guys so hang up about? Laughing


Because it has support from both political parties and will pass.


Then it's the Japanese people's representatives' decision if it passes.
What do outsiders care? Do outsiders tell America what to do? Wink


Kaibaman21 wrote:
Somebody posted this link earlier High School Uniforms is banned in games video games and manga
http://www.sankakucomplex.com/2010/12/13/mangaka-my-publisher-has-banned-school-uniforms/


That's stupid. Y'mean they're not even allowed plain un-porno-ized uniforms?! Laughing
(If they stay from sexualized, quite sure they'd be allowed easy.
Of course, adult-geared mags will always be A-OK.)
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H0shi



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PostPosted: Mon Dec 13, 2010 6:22 am Reply with quote
Last time, we have this issue of censorship on online manga reading sites..

And we all know what happened after that.

Now that we are facing another censorship in Hentai/Gory ones, I dunno what I shall say here.


Were these politicians have a grudge on manga, perhaps???
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enurtsol



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PostPosted: Mon Dec 13, 2010 6:24 am Reply with quote
H0shi wrote:

Now that we are facing another censorship in Hentai/Gory ones, I dunno what I shall say here.


If Japan allows hentai to be sold to minors, then Japan has a bigger problem on their hands. Laughing
(Then again, if hentai is not allowed to be sold to minors, then hentai doesn't have anything to worry about.)
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