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enurtsol
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Yeah, fonts. IIRC, because subtitles were just an after-thought back when the industry powerbrokers were compromising on the specs, the DVD spec is limited to 4 "colors": transparent background, black border, anti-aliasing, and last but not least, font color. So there can't be too many "colors."
But maybe anime companies should always have multiple subtitle tracks with different fonts or colors, so the viewer can choose which is most preferable. That could also work for honorifics and karaoke. Of course, that would add some costs and labor into the production. But we don't mind paying more. Of course, Blu-Ray specs allow more options with subtitles than DVD specs, so they can be more creative there.
Also, don't forget how long it takes to render CG animation. Even rendering computer farms take awhile just to finish a few seconds of CG animation! How many computers a Japanese studio (and most of them are quite small) would need to render a 22-minute CG animation in a week for a weekly show that goes on for months?! Furthermore, any fansubber and downloader know the risks of partaking in the activity. It's like going over the speed limit. We do it; we know the risks; we know sometimes we get caught, that's all.
13 eps aka "one season," IIRC from my VHS collection. |
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CCSYueh
Posts: 2707 Location: San Diego, CA |
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You know, people will argue quantum physics all day long, but we still have no proof of Parallel Universes. And of course, just because the Moon isn't made of cheese, doesn't mean some planet out there isn't! It's just a matter of time until someone finds proof of Bigfoot, Chupacabra, & fairies! |
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kakoishii
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I think you're missing Brian's point. The blanket statement that people who watch fansubs will never contribute to the industry because they will never buy the product is just that: a blanket statement. What Brian was getting at was trying to get away from the blanket statements that seem to be pigeonholing the industry in what seems like a bottomless pit of an abyss that it has no idea how to get out of. Funimation is within it's legal right to sue anyone for copyright infringement, no one is refuting that (or at least no one should), but much like the RIAA's go at taking legal action against people illegally downloading music what type of forward moving growth is that going to bring? It didn't do much for the music industry. It was things like itunes and music subscription services that brought on the forward advancement, and although the anime industry has new streaming services in place there is still more that they could do with a little imagination. It almost feels as though they've given up, thrown their hands up in frustration and while watching the industry shrink to nothing decided they might as well try and make a few bucks on the side by sewing a few kids for downloading one piece, but seriously is this the future? Is this the end all be all save all for anime? I don't think so, but what's scary is that I think a lot of fans do. |
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Top Gun
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Man, I'm shocked that Paranoia Agent didn't come up in the answers too. Even after all of the recent rounds of license-rescuing that FUNi has undertaken, this utter masterpiece still remains out-of-print. I'm personally relieved that I snagged the DVDs several years ago (I think they were some of the first I ever bought), but I still hope that everyone will get the chance to own it legally again.
And to the person who mentioned Kino's Journey...you are aware that that's still completely in-print from Section23, aren't you? |
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Zalis116
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Another often-overlooked aspect of subtitling (which R1 companies usually get right, and fansubbers nearly always fail at) is subtitle margins. DVD subs are kept raised off the very bottom of the screen, and have line breaks to prevent single lines of text from spanning the entire image. This accomplishes two things: it keeps subtitles from getting cut off by overscan on some TVs, and it reduces eyestrain for the viewers. You don't have to keep dipping your eyes down to the very bottom of the screen, and you don't have to be constantly scanning from left to right to read long single lines. Fansubs, otoh, often have their subs running from corner to corner at the very bottom of the screen, all in the misguided quest of being "unobtrusive." Of course, this only makes the subs more obtrusive, since viewers have to expend more effort to read them (particularly with background-blending colors), and risk missing out on more of the actual image.
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loka
Posts: 373 Location: Pittsburgh, PA |
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Are you claiming that fansubs are not used as a litmus test?
Why, then, do the accusations fly when a popular show in fansubs does not sell as the R1 industry expects. Quit with the charade already. As for the fan question: When the Japanese clearly say Horo, the amateurs can put her name as Horo. When the Japanese say future-men, the amateurs can put time traveler. I wonder if the movie, when released in English, will also say future-men. Or will it suddenly change. Which will look possibly even more ridiculous. |
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K.o.R
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Almost, yes. DVD subs are a bitmap with 4 colours, one of which is transparent (no anti-aliasing here - the DVD player software would be responsible for that and most don't AFAIK). Typically one is always black for the border, leaving two separate font colours available (usually yellow and white for when two people are speaking at the same time). You can actually use as many colours as you like, but only four for any one "subpicture" - case in point, You're Under Arrest TV, which has subs in white, yellow, red and green. |
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Charred Knight
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What other options? You can already download digitally, you can watch it streaming for free, or you could buy the DVDs. What fansubbers want is for Funimation to give away the product for free which isn't feasible. Would I love to watch every anime series I can? Of course, but I don't have that right nor could anyone make money in that type of situation. |
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Ojamajo LimePie
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Fullmoon wo Sagashite. Is it too much to ask for Viz to finish Fullmoon wo Sagashite? |
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Sunday Silence
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Thats all and good, but what about Manga? I ain't giddy about paying a load of money to some guy in Japan on the off-chance some zealous Customs Agent thinks I either violated some obscure law a/or duty that I have to pay.
I don't feel that same sentiment. One manga company in particular I pretty much dumped all my manga with their brand on it because they decided to do takedowns of fanscans of titles I was collecting. Yes, I use Fanscans to "Preview" manga and buy them in English when they come out if I liked it. But due to them taking it down, I felt that my duty to them in being an honest customer had lapsed. So to this company, I hope you can survive my lack of business for 5 of your titles. If your release schedule wasn't crap as well. |
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Penguin_Factory
Posts: 732 Location: Ireland |
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Brian's answer to the first question deserves a standing ovation.
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notrogersmith
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Yeah, I had written to Answerman that I'd like to see Paranoia Agent and Lain rescued. I wouldn't be surprised if Lain remained out of print, since it's pretty obscure and weird, but as mindf--k anime go, Paranoia Agent is relatively accessible, and I thought it was at least somewhat better known. |
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Zarquon
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I wanted to add a perspective to the debate about fansubs being theft and the people Funi is suing getting their just desserts. Do I think that there is any question about the ethics of fansubs?
No, absolutely not. Taking something like that is indeed theft and I fully support Funi's right to do it, with whatever means they feel they need to use. However... I place he blame for this situation partially on the anime producers themselves, because, while I applaud sites like Crunchyroll for attempting to broaden the business model, the industry itself is not doing a good job of analyzing the demand for the product. Steaming is not always viable for everyone for example, such as my own case where I live in a peculiar place in a pretty high tech city and the most I can get for internet is a 256K DSL. (hell its a bother to even order a pizza too but I digress) What has been lacking, to my mind, has been an effort to really sell anime into the American (or into other overseas) markets. By that I mean to seriously consider how to get every penny they can for the demand that there is here. Streaming and ala carte buying is a good start but its not the entire answer. Other people in this thread have been talking about how hard it is to get DVD releases into the US. Contrast that with how quickly television show DVDs hit stores in the US. Even ones from marginal shows. Just as with amine there are people who like to collect, thats a market that streaming alone just won't reach. Sure you can say "go buy the DVD in a year", but I don't see that an industry like the anime industry has ONLY that option. I am not trying to defend the fansubbers, far from it. What gets me annoyed is watching a company come down like the hammer of god on some inscrupulous nerds when they spend the rest of the time dragging their feet and clinging to outdated business models. I guess what I am really getting at is how I feel like they are saying that they can't compete with the fansubbers so it is they who must be destroyed. They can compete I think, and the key is catering to the urge to collect rather than just the urge to see. They can do what the fansubbers do but better and easier really. You really want to deal with the issue? corner the market on Torrents or something like that. Anyways, I appreciate the answer to that question and strongly support Brian's stance here. ~Zarquon also...MMmmm....super cake......... |
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The King of Harts
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Lain has been rescued. I think the reason there weren't a lot of Paranoia Agent is because people assume it's only a matter of time until it is. I know I'm just waiting for Funimation to announce they have it, and when they do, no one will be shocked. A show I'd like to see rescued is Maison Ikkoku. The prices for the box sets, especially 8, are getting insane. Now, of course, if only Viz's anime department wasn't run by blind spider monkeys, there already would've been a reprint by now. But Viz has proven dozens of times already that they are completely incompetent as an anime company, so my only hope of seeing that show is if someone else gets from them. |
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YotaruVegeta
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It ,might have a different volume of e-mails than I do, Brian, but I haven't read s[am in YEARS. I have gmail, and most of my other email accounts are linked to it, so spam is not in my life.
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