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NEWS: Magazine: Tokyo MX TV Affected by Youth Ordinance Bill


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enurtsol



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PostPosted: Mon Jan 31, 2011 8:13 am Reply with quote
Deviant_scarlet wrote:

Freedom of Speech and Expression should have no bounds or limits. I like my Anime & Manga the way it is.


It already has bounds and limits. Stations can't show MA-rated material during the day on public broadcasting.

Furthermore, anime TV has always been changing over the years - or haven't ya guys noticed that back in the 90's, shows like Ranma 1/2 could show naked tits on primetime? Maybe ya guys didn't notice because the change didn't affect your enjoyment of it? Confused
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 31, 2011 8:56 am Reply with quote
Deviant_scarlet wrote:
Don't let the magazine fool you. I heard from a friend of mine living in Tokyo that all the 7-elevens there are relocating their 16+ Manga to the Porn shelves(despite not containing any actual sex).


That has always been the case. I live 1 minute by foot next to a 7-eleven. All what changed in all 7-eleven now is that they have two "magazine for adults" (成年向け)-cardboard signs at the racks where adult magazines have been displayed before. In other words: Nothing changed. It's now just more difficult to miss that you're standing in front of an "adult" section. Typical seinen manga magazine like Young Jump, Young Magazine & co. have always been put together with other magazines for adults and tabloids for men in convinience stores. They are now due to the cardboards more physically separated from Jump & Shounen Sunday and other Shounen/Shoujo Magazines, but that's really all to it.
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kgw



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PostPosted: Mon Jan 31, 2011 9:20 am Reply with quote
Am I the only one who read all the "may cause", "might ask"...?

Without more evidences, I'd call it the ageless rant "the government will lead us to ruin, ruin I said", sort of.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 31, 2011 9:25 am Reply with quote
So is the source really a sleaze magazine? If so, then why is the story even posted here?
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 31, 2011 9:33 am Reply with quote
Shiroi Hane wrote:
6Hokage wrote:
This does not affect anime/manga market what so ever. What it affect is tv BROADCASTING and weekly magazine publishing. Just buy/DL DVD and tankobons - they will have no censorship.

Oh good - so the minority of anime that are released as OVA are in the clear.


I think it's pretty clear that's not what he meant. Not many shows with explicit material get aired uncensored these days anyway... so if they're announcing their intent to censor more stuff, it's not really a drastic change.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 31, 2011 10:36 am Reply with quote
6Hokage wrote:
This does not affect anime/manga market what so ever. What it affect is tv BROADCASTING and weekly magazine publishing. Just buy/DL DVD and tankobons - they will have no censorship.

The ordinance affects anything drawn or animated that is physically distributed in Tokyo. The only exception in the bill are online/digitally distributed materials. It's actually worse if it's found to be "harmful" by OYAPS, since publisher and retailer are punished than it would be if were to be published as porn (aka R18+ / adults-only) to begin with

Emerje wrote:
It's possible that they'll be looking beyond just fanservice and go after inuendo and implied situations as well so even if the show has censored images it may still need to pass for story content. Seikon no Qwaser II for example probably wont stand a chance if what the magazine says is true.

Well, there's always the online "director's cut" uncensored version Very Happy

Zilan wrote:

Unless It's on TBS or AT-X It's almost always censored.
Censors that pop up on these 2 stations are intentional to drive DVD/Blu-Ray sales.

MX always censors direct panty shots. Never seen boobs either.

Actually Sekirei S1 episode 9 aired completely uncensored and Sekirei S2 episode 1 - early premiere version was partially uncensored. Though those are the instances I'm aware of. It seemed like a stunt to promote the DVD/BDs.

enurtsol wrote:
Furthermore, anime TV has always been changing over the years - or haven't ya guys noticed that back in the 90's, shows like Ranma 1/2 could show naked tits on primetime? Maybe ya guys didn't notice because the change didn't affect your enjoyment of it?

actually that was the first thing I noticed in my early anime days venturing past robotech... but then again I also remember seeing J-drama during that time with nudity. And live action is not subject to these kinds of restrictions of bill 156 ironically. I haven't watched any live J-TV in the past few years but I remember even game shows being pretty raunchy...

Deviant_scarlet wrote:
I heard from a friend of mine living in Tokyo that all the 7-elevens there are relocating their 16+ Manga to the Porn shelves(despite not containing any actual sex).I also heard a rumor that legendary classics such as Akira are also affected by the Youth Ordinance if they continue under circulation.


see:
http://2chan.us/wordpress/2011/01/06/it-its-not-like-i-want-to-translate-news4vip-for-you-or-anything/

which I think doesn't make sense at all. Porn is porn. Anything not labeled R18 aka adults-only, is not, and therefore shouldn't be in that section.

And Dan mentions
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The chilling factor has already started to ripple through, and now novels (exempt under Bill 156) have started conducting more self-censorship. The chilling effect is not pronounced in the major league manga publications, but signs of its effects can be seen in numerous places, some of which you might not have expected.


But maybe there's some good news since Ishihara had mentioned being frustrated at how many letters he got from teens over the bill and: "It seems Tokyo City Hall is still in shock about the continued opposition to the bill’s passage and they are trying to figure out how to proceed."
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enurtsol



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PostPosted: Mon Jan 31, 2011 10:47 am Reply with quote
configspace wrote:
And live action is not subject to these kinds of restrictions of bill 156 ironically.


The infamous bill is an addendum to the law that already restricts live-action.


configspace wrote:
I haven't watched any live J-TV in the past few years but I remember even game shows being pretty raunchy...


It's like Hispanic TV - doesn't matter what time of day it is. Laughing
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 31, 2011 10:57 am Reply with quote
as of February The Comics Code is officially dead if you think about it more, this bill is just like it but far more dangerous. atleast though I can't believe I'm saying this but atleast it only regulated Comic Books and the US has separate bs bills for other things but separate not all in one big package.

This bill is just filled of more stupid the times go on...though I knew this going to happen but not this fast...I hate to say I feel bad for the companies getting rid of Pirate versions of anime right at this moment or games for the matter their in full panic mode and you can't really blame em.


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PostPosted: Mon Jan 31, 2011 11:12 am Reply with quote
This is getting seriously out of hand. -_-;;;
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 31, 2011 11:18 am Reply with quote
Kaibaman21 wrote:
as of February The Comics Code is officially dead if you think about it more, this bill is just like it but far more dangerous. atleast though I can't believe I'm saying this but atleast it only regulated Comic Books and the US has separate bs bills for other things but separate not all in one big package.


The US comic book code has been dead for decades. Unfortunately, so has the US comic industry. When publishers broke away from the code stores stopped selling them. Of course you can still find comics in specialty stores but not in corner stores like one use to.

The US comic book code made people think that comics and cartoons were only for kids. This Japanese comic code could do the same with manga and anime. Granted, it will take a while for that to happen but it will have a big impact on the industry.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 31, 2011 11:19 am Reply with quote
enurtsol wrote:
Furthermore, anime TV has always been changing over the years - or haven't ya guys noticed that back in the 90's, shows like Ranma 1/2 could show naked tits on primetime? Maybe ya guys didn't notice because the change didn't affect your enjoyment of it? Confused

If you look carefully nowadays there is a tit galore on TV broadcast anime not found ten years ago (nowadays there is hardly any inuendo, it is a more "in your face" approach), the only difference it that sometimes they attempt to push DVD sales higher by censoring some nipples.


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PostPosted: Mon Jan 31, 2011 11:36 am Reply with quote
configspace wrote:

Deviant_scarlet wrote:
I heard from a friend of mine living in Tokyo that all the 7-elevens there are relocating their 16+ Manga to the Porn shelves(despite not containing any actual sex).I also heard a rumor that legendary classics such as Akira are also affected by the Youth Ordinance if they continue under circulation.


see:
http://2chan.us/wordpress/2011/01/06/it-its-not-like-i-want-to-translate-news4vip-for-you-or-anything/

which I think doesn't make sense at all. Porn is porn. Anything not labeled R18 aka adults-only, is not, and therefore shouldn't be in that section.

Someone already debunked the other part of this but I seem to recall that it was concluded that 2ch post was staged/shopped. There was too much that didn't add up in both the picture and with what the guy said.
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bayoab



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PostPosted: Mon Jan 31, 2011 2:52 pm Reply with quote
Emerje wrote:

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Weekly Gendai's source at Tokyo MX added, "We are popular among students as a station known for its strong presence of anime," but the station may have to reconsider hiring anime fans among new graduates. For example, the job application sheet may have the question, "If you were to take a foreign friend sightseeing in Japan, where would you take him or her? If the student were to write "Akihabara," the station might ask him or her to leave the application process.


Could you explain the reason for this and how the change in their hiring policy is related to the bill. Seems rather prejudice to me.

Emerje


A post popped up on their grad hiring blog. It basically says "There is no such policy. Anyone who wants to apply should do so."
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 31, 2011 4:52 pm Reply with quote
bayoab wrote:
Emerje wrote:

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Weekly Gendai's source at Tokyo MX added, "We are popular among students as a station known for its strong presence of anime," but the station may have to reconsider hiring anime fans among new graduates. For example, the job application sheet may have the question, "If you were to take a foreign friend sightseeing in Japan, where would you take him or her? If the student were to write "Akihabara," the station might ask him or her to leave the application process.


Could you explain the reason for this and how the change in their hiring policy is related to the bill. Seems rather prejudice to me.

Emerje


A post popped up on their grad hiring blog. It basically says "There is no such policy. Anyone who wants to apply should do so."


The article also said that there currently wasn't such a policy, just that it was something they may do.

Emerje
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For example, the job application sheet may have the question, "If you were to take a foreign friend sightseeing in Japan, where would you take him or her? If the student were to write "Akihabara," the station might ask him or her to leave the application process.


As weird as that sounds, you could easily get taken out of the application process for an answer like that (or for answering "what interests you in Japan?" with anything related to pop culture) while trying for a job as an English teacher in Japan. For different reasons, though.
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