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FMABleach wrote:

A question for those of you referring to I believe American parents, does this apply to Canadian, British, or Australian parents? Or are they more laid back than Americans? I wasn't sure.

I've lived in Britain before and their standards are just as bad as the States, believe me. Canada's the only non-Asian English speaking country, which has the balls to air Inuyasha, Gundam SEED/Destiny, Dragon Ball, GT nigh/fully uncut, on times in which older kids/teens would be awake. Hell, according to one Canadian, Black Lagoon was aired fully uncut, with only a mere TV-14 rating, with no warnings. And do not tell me how the Bionix portion of YTV is for teens/older kids, because the shows that were on Bionix have questionable content and some shows on Bionix like Inuyasha which aired more or less uncut, had to be on Adult Swim in the States. Also, we had uncut GT and nigh uncut Dragon Ball on normal YTV, for younger kids . Funnily enough, we aired uncut Gundam Wing Endless Waltz, but that didn't do so hot, but we had CN's Gundam W at 11pm and that bombed bad.

DomonX2 wrote:

FMABleach wrote:

A question for those of you referring to I believe American parents, does this apply to Canadian, British, or Australian parents? Or are they more laid back than Americans? I wasn't sure.

I've lived in Britain before and their standards are just as bad as the States, believe me.

That depends on your definition of standards

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Canada's the only non-Asian English speaking country, which has the balls to air Inuyasha, Gundam SEED/Destiny, Dragon Ball, GT nigh/fully uncut, on times in which older kids/teens would be awake. Hell, according to one Canadian, Black Lagoon was aired fully uncut, with only a mere TV-14 rating, with no warnings.

Before 2100 then?

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And do not tell me how the Bionix portion of YTV is for teens/older kids, because the shows that were on Bionix have questionable content and some shows on Bionix like Inuyasha which aired more or less uncut, had to be on Adult Swim in the States. Also, we had uncut GT and nigh uncut Dragon Ball on normal YTV, for younger kids . Funnily enough, we aired uncut Gundam Wing Endless Waltz, but that didn't do so hot, but we had CN's Gundam W at 11pm and that bombed bad.

So by this you seem to be saying that in Canada they show anime purposely meant for seinen to young children, and this is your definition of good standards? Yes?

@Mohawk52

None of those shows I mentioned are Seinen, bar Black Lagoon. They're mostly kids shows in Japan and Canada respects their children, to an extent, so they showed the content of these shows, without censoring the blood, like the UK or US would do. I'm lucky I live in the only English using/speaking country, bar Hong Kong, Philippines or Singapore, which doesn't censor blood or gore. Kids in Canada saw Vegeta get impaled by the 7 Star Dragon on YTV. Kids saw Kira taking showers in Gundam SEED. Kids saw violence in Gundam SEED Destiny, in it's ENTIRETY. It doesn't corrupt children and it won't make them violent. Canada is proof of this, since we have much less crime than most of the world. Of course, Canada still has censorship, but it doesn't shove it in your face, unlike the USA or the UK. I'm not being a nationalist, since I hate loads of things about this country and there are things about it which are worse than the US, but we need to stop censoring content. Not to mention, I wasn't even BORN in Canada.

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Making childrens programmes in itself isn't so much "big business" as any production house dedicated to childrens programming can and do actually do it in even the smallest studios.

Mohawk, I believe what Justin was referring to when he said that Children's Programming was a "big business" was the amount of money that stands to be made from it. In America, Disney has a pretty impenetrable stranglehold on the impressionable and profitable tween market, and has no reason to cut into their own profits by licensing foreign titles when, like you pointed out, children's programming can be produced relatively inexpensively.

To be clear, I'm not talking about Disney's animated feature films; I'm talking about the revolving door of interchangeable Hannah Montana-like shows that sell sex to that demographic. Now the reason that parents don't take issue with this is two fold. First, parents are so disconnected from their children and the things their children are exposed to, that they simply have no idea. Second, in their minds, Disney is still Mickey Mouse and friends. Anything foreign will come under closer scrutiny.

Movies like The Lion King and the Harry Potter series make me wonder if parents really are as averse to sadness in media for their kids as we sometimes think. I know I was pretty shocked to watch episode seven of Kemono no Sou-ja Erin, a story clearly intended for children by its author Uehashi Nahoko, and thought such scenes would never appear on American television for children. Yet having watched The Lion King again just recently, it moved both me and my now 21-yo daughter to tears, just as it did when we watched it together a dozen years ago. Is is simply the Disney imprimatur that gives its movies a free pass? Perhaps movies are more acceptable than television programs since parents have more control over whether their children watch films than TV.

It does seem like the Japanese are more open to exposing children to sexuality and sadness than we here in the West seem to be. I remember wondering how Narutaru could have been shown on KidsStation in Japan, especially after seeing the spoiler[test-tube rape] scene. Lately I've been watching the shounen series Magi. After half-a-dozen episodes I've seen ten-year-old Aladdin greet female friends by snuggling his head between their often oversized breasts; another character appears like this. (The moms in the audience get their share of eyecandy as well like this followed by this.) This show also includes slavery and the occasional destruction of large numbers of people spoiler[(admittedly the villain's troops)]. While the show stresses lots of good values like friendship, loyalty, and justice, I can't imagine it appearing anywhere on American television.

jsevakis wrote:

But seriously, [9-14 is] the time kids discover all the teenybopper stuff on Disney Channel, and also get into mainstream Hollywood superhero-and-explosion movies.

We avoided stuff like that in my home, not by any active censorship on my part, but because my daughter thought shows like Hannah Montana were stupid. We preferred to watch Pokemon and Daria instead.

DomonX2 wrote:

FMABleach wrote:

A question for those of you referring to I believe American parents, does this apply to Canadian, British, or Australian parents? Or are they more laid back than Americans? I wasn't sure.

I've lived in Britain before and their standards are just as bad as the States, believe me. Canada's the only non-Asian English speaking country, which has the balls to air Inuyasha, Gundam SEED/Destiny, Dragon Ball, GT nigh/fully uncut, on times in which older kids/teens would be awake. Hell, according to one Canadian, Black Lagoon was aired fully uncut, with only a mere TV-14 rating, with no warnings. And do not tell me how the Bionix portion of YTV is for teens/older kids, because the shows that were on Bionix have questionable content and some shows on Bionix like Inuyasha which aired more or less uncut, had to be on Adult Swim in the States. Also, we had uncut GT and nigh uncut Dragon Ball on normal YTV, for younger kids . Funnily enough, we aired uncut Gundam Wing Endless Waltz, but that didn't do so hot, but we had CN's Gundam W at 11pm and that bombed bad.

The Blue Water dubs of Dragon Ball and Dragon Ball GT were not uncut. Their editing was lighter compared to FUNi's TV versions, but they weren't fully uncut. These same dubs were also aired in Britain.

Over here, Toonami's midnight run did show uncut DB/Z/GT, but that was after midnight of course.

Here in the UNITED STATES even if the animation is on after 11pm the nudity is censored on Cartoon Network or Ani-Monday when it was on the SCI-FI channel. It was a wonder that Shin Chin penis was not pixel out when it was stream on the Cartoon Network. I even remembered the nudity was censored on TBS of the animation Heavy Metal even though it was broadcast at 1:50am. I think the real problem jsevakis is the adults in England and the USA don't what to grow up but remain children forever till they die. Mad

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And Season 2 of Code Geass is somehow better than mother****ing Spirited Away?

While I've never seen Code Geass, Spirited Away would be nowhere near even my top 50. I admire the artistry, but I find it disjointed and scattershot. Spirited Away wouldn't even be in my top 5 Hayao Miyazaki films, not that there'd be much Hayao Miyazaki or Ghibli in my top 50. (The Ghibli I'd include in my not-entirely-existing-at-the-moment top 50 list would be only Kiki's Delivery Service, Whisper of the Heart and possible My Neighbor Totoro, though, to be fair, I am much, much more of a fan of anime TV and OVA series than I am anime films and Ghibli is pretty much just theatrical-only with the occasional TV movie.)

To bring it back to "consensus", very often the "consensus" opinion, if it's very high, will actually poison me against liking something, with the most obvious example being Evangelion. I was already in anime fandom before it was even made so I remember the accolades it received when it first hit. But, when I finally got around to watching it, eh, I was underwhelmed. I never could articulate a decent opinion why why I never got into Evangelion, I just couldn't connect to it (despite suffering from depression). I like to think that Evangelion just isn't my bag, but I'll also admit that I never could separate it from the hype. I tried watching it to appreciate it on its own merits while ignoring the "consensus" but failed.

Much more recently, I haven't even bothered with Madoka Magica largely because the "consensus" I've been hearing reminds me very much of the "consensus" for Evangelion and I would sooner never watch it than have another disappointing experience where the "consensus" poisoned me against ever liking it. (Though, also, I'm a spoiler-reader and I know some very nasty, brutal stuff happens to the girls, and, while I'm sure it's not as graphic as "guro", it's still not something I'd really care to see.)

Inversely, while I can't think offhand of an anime I like despite having an almost universally low "consensus" opinion, some recent shows I adore, and I'm thinking especially of K-On! though it's also true of Haruhi Suzumiya to a lesser degree, have some very vocal haters despite being generally-liked overall and I'd hate to say it but a show having some degree of haters is almost a prerequisite for me liking something because I have a contrarian mind. Though maybe that isn't always a case as I can't say I'm aware of many Kamichu! haters. That's more "underseen" than hated. I guess, to sum up, I tend to prefer shows that either get mixed reactions or shows that very few people have seen.

yuna49 wrote:

I remember wondering how Narutaru could have been shown on KidsStation in Japan, especially after seeing the spoiler[test-tube rape] scene.

Narutaru was in no way a children's show. It aired very late at night on a time slot equivalent to Adult Swim. The name of the channel was "Kid's Station", but it aired adults-only anime in time slots where actual kids were in bed.

DomonX2 wrote:

Hell, according to one Canadian, Black Lagoon was aired fully uncut, with only a mere TV-14 rating, with no warnings.

Come on, that can't be true. Black Lagoon? Uncut?

Every other word out of Revy's mouth is a swear.

@Yuna42

So, obviously, you have the best daughter ever. Forgive me for being ignorant, but do they do re runs of Daria or did you have them on DVD or something? I don't watch tv anymore so I don't knwo about re runs, and I'm just assuming that the timeframe that you're talking about is more recent than Daria's original run.

Hypeathon wrote:

octopodpie wrote:

It's kind of hard to describe unless you have a child.

Just taking a guess with what I'm about to say, does it have anything to do with protective instincts or something?

That's the closest I could get to a sufficiently describing it. This is, to a degree, very irrational but as far as I can tell about myself its about wanting to keep the child a child for as long as possible. As adults, we know there are a lot of hardships in the world and horrible things that happen. At 3, I don't want my child to have to worry about those sort of things yet.

But you've got to let it go at SOME point, right?

Tenchi wrote:

Much more recently, I haven't even bothered with Madoka Magica largely because the "consensus" I've been hearing reminds me very much of the "consensus" for Evangelion and I would sooner never watch it than have another disappointing experience where the "consensus" poisoned me against ever liking it.

I'm not an Evangelion fan either, but I did think Madoka was one of the better shows in the past couple of years.

Sleverin wrote:

So, obviously, you have the best daughter ever. Forgive me for being ignorant, but do they do re runs of Daria or did you have them on DVD or something?

I wasn't trying to brag about my daughter. If it came across that way, I apologize.

Daria was in reruns on Nick at Nite for quite a while. We probably watched it around 2002-2003 or so. Now, as you can see from the link I provided above, it's on Hulu, but only on Hulu Plus. I don't subscribe to that and never will until it has a commercial-free option. It's also on Amazon Instant Video where, as an Amazon "Prime" member, I can watch it for free. The whole collection on DVD is just $20.

I don't understand why there is such reluctance to show any nudity (beside boobs) in anything other than hentai. It's like people seem to believe that boobs are okay but as soon as you show a vagina OMG ITS PORN.

Now sure if it's a lot of sex or something call it hentai, but even just one scene in the middle of an anime is too much?

Would you go to a nude beach and yell at everyone to stop what they're doing because it's pornographic?

PurpleWarrior13 wrote:

If the right series gets the right exposure, it could easily enter the mainstream, like Naruto, Dragon Ball Z, Sailor Moon, Pokemon, and Yu-Gi-Oh! all did. They were the right shows (easily marketable in the US), they got treated well by their respective networks

o_O; Butchering the shows to heck and back and skipping tons of episodies is being treated well?

Eri94 wrote:

I don't understand why there is such reluctance to show any nudity (beside boobs) in anything other than hentai. It's like people seem to believe that boobs are okay but as soon as you show a vagina OMG ITS PORN.

Now sure if it's a lot of sex or something call it hentai, but even just one scene in the middle of an anime is too much?

Would you go to a nude beach and yell at everyone to stop what they're doing because it's pornographic?

From what I understand in a lot of seinen manga nudity is shown, sometimes to fairly graphic extents, it's not widespread or anything, but it is there.

I know with Berserk shows a lot more than just boobs.

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