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Shelf Life - Clash of the Tytans

Mohawk52 wrote:

@ Erin: I'd love for you to watch DP, Flash. I'm still fond of 80's and 90's anime design styles.

No, you wouldn't love that. I've seen an episode of Dirty Pair Flash and I super-hated the designs.

I'm honestly surprised both Erin and her husband were able to get some sort of enjoyment out of Tytania. Maybe it's because I've seen LoGH, but after one episode I had no desire to see any more.

This series is horrible. Horrible, horrible, HORRIBLE. I only got two-thirds of the way through the first episode, it was that bad. Oh sure, the opening credits make it look epic: operatic music, detailed character designs, huge spaceships sailing the stars. And then it actually begins. And you realize that while those character designs may be gorgeous, the characters never move!!! It's like watching He-Man, I swear to God. And there are so many of introduced all at once that they 1) put their names on screen as they appear and 2) color code them. No, I did not make that up. Every character wears a different color. If this were a trippy surrealist piece like Revolutionary Girl Utena, I'd be fine with that, but for crying out loud... Not to mention that the characters really are introduced by just appearing on screen: "Here is a new character. Here is their name. And the disembodied narrator will tell you how they fit into interstellar politics." Even the space battle, when it finally began halfway through the episode, was boring.

I don't think Celestial Being's plan was THAT hard to figure out. Since the world was forced to unite together to take Celestial Being down, the 3 major nation groups would be united and conflict would be vastly reduced (and any remaining fighting occuring in non-treaty countries could easily be death with). And if the 3 groups let their pride get in the way and chose not to unite after all, then their economy would eventually not be able to continuously try to stop Celestial Being and the groups would have to cease all conflict (granted, Ribbons' plan would never have allowed this, but it could have been an option in the main Celestial Being's eyes).

The problem was that the newly formed united government went "Big Brother" on everyone and Celestial Being had to fix that. While I could somewhat understand people not sympathizing with CB in the first season (since while we the viewers know they're honest about their goal, the other characters can't know that for sure), in the 2nd season they're clearly in the right.

I mean, the beginning establishes war is a common occurrence from our modern day to their current time period. That's like 300 years! Eventually someone had to show up, slam all their heads together, and say, "hey morons, KNOCK IT OFF!" I nearly wanted to slam my head against the wall when one AUE politician actually said, "war is a part of our national identity". Geezus.

But even if someone argues Gundam 00 doesn't end up having a message, is that a bad thing? Neither did Lord of the Rings according to Tolkien himself (he said he just wanted to tell a good story, nothing more), but I'd roll my eyes if someone said, "Lord of the Rings doesn't have a message, so what's the point?"

Actually, aside from maybe the original Gundam, I found 00's the easiest to relate to of the franchise (at least in terms of the sympathetic characters, obviously characters like Ali or Nena make me grind my teeth in anger). Granted, it took a while, I didn't really start feeling that way until about halfway through Season 1.

But didn't Celestial Being pretty much reject their own plan of armed interference after the end of season 1 and realised how foolish it was? They pretty much spend all of season 2 trying to clean up the mess they made.

And I have to wonder how much of the "armed intervention plan" was actually Aeolia's will, and how much of it was really just Ribbons manipulating things.

But didn't Celestial Being pretty much reject their own plan of armed interference after the end of season 1 and realised how foolish it was? They pretty much spend all of season 2 trying to clean up the mess they made.

And I have to wonder how much of the "armed intervention plan" was actually Aeolia's will, and how much of it was really just Ribbons manipulating things.

Shenl742 wrote:

But didn't Celestial Being pretty much reject their own plan of armed interference after the end of season 1 and realised how foolish it was? They pretty much spend all of season 2 trying to clean up the mess they made. And I have to wonder how much of the "armed intervention plan" was actually Aeolia's will, and how much of it was really just Ribbons manipulating things.

Aeolia's plan was to turn the Celestial Being you see on season 1, into the world's enemy, thus uniting the whole world against them.

Aeolia's plan was to turn the Celestial Being you see on season 1, into the world's enemy, thus uniting the whole world against them.

So what the heck was the plan after that? America was supposedly united after 9/11 and now look at the partisan divide less than 10 years later.

erinfinnegan wrote:

Mohawk52 wrote: @ Erin: I'd love for you to watch DP, Flash. I'm still fond of 80's and 90's anime design styles. No, you wouldn't love that. I've seen an episode of Dirty Pair Flash and I super-hated the designs.

I thought you might. It was released in 1998 so you know it would be different. To be fair to it though if you got pass all that you just might have found a delightful series with some very poignant moments.

Megiddo wrote:

Aeolia's plan was to turn the Celestial Being you see on season 1, into the world's enemy, thus uniting the whole world against them.

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So what the heck was the plan after that? America was supposedly united after 9/11 and now look at the partisan divide less than 10 years later.

Dunno, but they totally stole that idea from Watchmen.

I read yet another multipage debate on the merits of a Gundam series and once more remember why I've never been able to get into this franchise. Nobody can agree on what's worth watching or not!

vashfanatic wrote:

I read yet another multipage debate on the merits of a Gundam series and once more remember why I've never been able to get into this franchise. Nobody can agree on what's worth watching or not!

Then decide for yourself. Watch some of the more standalone stuff, and branch out gradually from there.

erinfinnegan wrote:

"As far as I can tell, this series is like Legend of the Galactic Heroes if it were only 26 episodes long and starred only hot dudes. Also if LotGH was based on the British Empire… alright, maybe it’s not like LotGH. I mean I’ve never even seen LotGH..."

Well, it's by the same author, only he never finished this work, unlike his big epic. And according to the comments posted at Theron's review, they actually changed elements of the original novels to make it more like LotGH to cash in its success.

Also, I know plenty of gals who would protest your assumption that the dudes in LotGH are not hot.