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mdo7 wrote:

I could say the same for Hollywood remake of Asian films, when Hollywood remake a Japanese films (or any Asian films) there's going to be backlash and hate all over it.

No, you really can't say the same, because as far as that "exchange" goes, it's almost entirely exclusive to Westers and Samurai films. No one complains about either because those two genres are insanely interchangeable.

That said, the reason why people get rile up over stuff like The Ring is because, I dunno, it's a really crappy movie? Ever thunked that one?

This, however, is nothing but stupid ass cinematic xenophobia. I hate the word, but it perfectly applies to some people here: Weaboo. Automatically dismissive of anything not from Japan, automatically worshopping anything from Japan.

All forms of medium need to be approached with a critical eye, and not a cultural one if they are to be evaluated properly. The moment one makes one's intentions clear that they're going to be culturally biased from the get-go, the opinion is worth piss.

It's not only Japan that is remaking American films, but also China/HK and Korea is also remaking American films and they never get any flak or criticism from the same group of people that bash American remake of Asian films.

Lots of ranting

marie-antoinette wrote:

Wait, did you just say Pixar is stuck in the sandbox? Wow. Just wow. Sure, not all of their movies have been completely groundbreaking but you are doing them a huge disservice here.

>_> Wellll... actually I stole that quote from a New York Times review of Paprika, but I agree with them. They seem stuck in their ways, while Japanese companies can make lots of different stuff for kids.

It was a big deal when the Simpsons got one movie, but Shin-chan's got like 20 under its belt. x_x And the ones I've seen blow away the Simpsons movie at that.

And in 2D animation too, not CGI.

And Pixar seems like huge hypocrites these days. They bashed Disney for turning out cheap sequels then they got the greed in their eyes and made Toy Story 2 and 3, Monsters Inc 2, Finding Nemo 2, Cars 2, and probably more sequels in the future. >_>

And they toted Brave as some revolutionary leap for females in animated movies then it turns out to be another Disney princess flick... meanwhile Japan's done female leads since the 70s. They just seem way too behind on the times.

Hollywood is far more harming and damaging of an industry than an obscure remake of an American B-movie. If you want proof, just look at Japanese box offices and you'll see plenty of American films airing in Japan, movies like Harry Potter especially doing very well. You'll never see non-English foreign films given the chance to do that here.

I have never seen any of these Asian remake of American films getting the same level of hate or criticisms as American remake of Asian films. So how come the same people that bash Hollywood for remaking Asian films don't go after Asia for doing the same thing to American films (and for remaking other Asian films). People are either staying silent or praising Asia for remaking American films (and also bashing the American original that the remake was based on). So yes, there's hypocrisy when it comes to remake, I'm seeing free passes from backlashes and bashing when it comes to Asia remaking American films.

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This is where the terms Japanophile and Weabo come into play. Everything America does in any reference to Japan, and anime/manga, is wrong. While anything they do is awesome fo course because Japan is so much more awesome than us. That's the attitude of many of them. Most of which don't even have a basic grasp of Japanese culture beyond what they assume via anime and press articles related to such. Or just their pipe dreams. Regardless, many are just hypocrites to put it simply.

mdo7 wrote:

It's not only Japan that is remaking American films, but also China/HK and Korea is also remaking American films and they never get any flak or criticism from the same group of people that bash American remake of Asian films.

Because their install base is absurdly tiny compared to Hollywood. They're practically a non-threat. Hence, most people don't see any worth in getting riled up.

But when Hollywood is remaking foreign films that are critically acclaimed, the flak is raised because production politics come into play. Much of the original film suffers compromise at the hand of executive meddling. Well, sometimes. As for the asian remakes, honestly, most of them don't go anywhere beyond their home countries. Hence, not a whole lot of people care.

It's all about the exposure.

mdo7 wrote:

Lots of ranting

And some people say I'm obsessed.

Not that I really want to dip my toes into this acidic vendetta you bring up about remakes, but it's pretty much like what PrecisionCrab said. Also the fact Hollywood is notorious for screwing over minorities in the industry. Hollywood is far more harming and damaging of an industry than an obscure remake of an American B-movie. If you want proof, just look at Japanese box offices and you'll see plenty of American films airing in Japan, movies like Harry Potter especially doing very well. You'll never see non-English foreign films given the chance to do that here. If you honestly think all the people behind the criticisms of Hollywood's treatment of minorities and foreign films are purely from "hypocritical anime fans", by all means, go right ahead and discuss it with the people who crusades this issue longer than the internet has been around. Your obsession with proving us evil anime fans wrong undermines the legitimate plight of minorities have had with the industry which is older than you or I have been alive.

But for all its might, Hollywood has been losing market share in recent years to domestic films around the world. Audiences are more inclined to seek out films that mirror their own cultural values and feature stars they can easily relate to. Back in 2002, foreign films dominated Japan’s movie theaters, taking in 73 percent of box-office returns; last year that share fell to 43 percent. “Today’s young Japanese are not as inspired by Western culture as they used to be,” says Paramount Japan marketing director Hisamichi Kinomoto.


A foreign film adapted for a local audience can perform better than the original. Last year, Fuji TV remade Sideways, the 2004 Alexander Payne film about two friends road-tripping through California’s wine country. While the original film grossed around $960,000 in Japan, according to BoxOfficeMojo.com, the Japanese remake—featuring two Japanese pals in Napa—raked in $1.5 million.

>America remakes Japanese film: "OMG ITS GONNA SUCK"
>Japan remakes American film: "OMG AWESOME"

What is this I don't even.

mdo7 wrote:

I have never seen any of these Asian remake of American films getting the same level of hate or criticisms as American remake of Asian films. So how come the same people that bash Hollywood for remaking Asian films don't go after Asia for doing the same thing to American films (and for remaking other Asian films). People are either staying silent or praising Asia for remaking American films (and also bashing the American original that the remake was based on). So yes, there's hypocrisy when it comes to remake, I'm seeing free passes from backlashes and bashing when it comes to Asia remaking American films.

This is where the terms Japanophile and Weabo come into play. Everything America does in any reference to Japan, and anime/manga, is wrong. While anything they do is awesome fo course because Japan is so much more awesome than us. That's the attitude of many of them. Most of which don't even have a basic grasp of Japanese culture beyond what they assume via anime and press articles related to such. Or just their pipe dreams. Regardless, many are just hypocrites to put it simply.